Author Topic: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne  (Read 21595 times)

Offline Glamis

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 527
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 07 September 10 10:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Both, I am aware of much with regard to family members and have looked at records for various of them because they have in one way or another been left with a vague history requiring clarity or some tale which seems to hold a hidden gem. I Thank You again for your interest and wonderful help in all.

Just thought I'd add this find- it provides more revelation in that The Hickson's married twice into the Black family with a double wedding; 2 Aunts of Olive Mary. Aunt Mary Sarah to Hugh and Aunt Frances Elizabeth to Charles.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~babznz/pearlmarriage.html
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=DSC18550626.2.8

Offline ablack

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 3
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 12 October 10 17:51 BST (UK) »
I am a great-great-granddaughter of Dr Black - my great grandfather was Charles Frederick Black and my great grandmother was Frances Elizabeth Hickson. I have a wealth of information about the Black family and the Hickson family if you would like the full information!

Offline Glamis

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 527
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 12 October 10 17:56 BST (UK) »
Wow- Yes please and Thank you. This makes us distant cousins then. My Grandfather married Olive Mary Hickson in 1906, she was a daughter of Richard and Louisa Hickson. Aunts Mary Sarah and Frances Elizabeth were Richard's sisters.

Offline ablack

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 3
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 12 October 10 18:14 BST (UK) »
Maybe you should ask me specific questions if I can help. Here's a start - Charles Frederick and Hugh Leatham Black were married to the two Hickson sisters in a double wedding in 1855 in Auckland. The Hicksons family are a 'Fencible' family - there is plenty on the web re the Fencibles.  The Fencibles were retired soldiers who were recruited to come to NZ to defend Auckland from the Maori in the early days. Captain John Annesley Hickson was in charge of a troops coming to NZ in 1848. He had a large family and was the father of the two sisters (Mary Louisa and Frances Elizabeth). His wife was Elizabeth Pleasant (nee) Williams.
What I found interesting is that Elizabeth and Dr Black's wife Charlotte were actually cousins.  All of them came from what is now Northern Ireland. In those days there was a very small 'pool' of suitable people for these middle class families to marry into - so not surprising that these four were married.
Miss Florence Black was a music teacher of some renown - she was the daughter of Hugh and Mary, never married. Here is an article about her: If you google Wanganui Music Socieity you will probably find it with a photo.


Black, Miss F. E., Teacher of the Piano and Singing and the Theory of Music, “The Oaks,” River Bank, Wanganui. Miss Black was born in Melbourne at the residence of her grandfather, Dr. Thomas Black, of “Cintra,” St. Kilda, and accompanied her parents to Auckland while still an infant. She was a pupil of Mr. J. H. Beale while in Auckland, and subsequently in Wellington of Mr. J. A. Edwards, who was at one time conductor and choirmaster of All Saints' Church, St. Kilda, Melbourne, which was reputed to have the best choir in the Australian colonies. Miss Black was pianist to the Choral Society of Wellington, of which Mr. Elwards was conductor. Miss Black studied singing and voice-production under Signor Carmini Morley, and subsequently returned to Auckland, where she was a pupil of Mr. Angelo Forrest, one of the best pianists in the Colony. For ten years Miss Black taught music in the Girls' High School in Wellington, Mr. Parker and herself being the first teachers appointed to give musical instruction in that school. During her residence in Wellington, Miss Black taught at St. Mary's Convent for four or five years. While resident in Auckland she taught at the Girls' High School. She has resided in Wanganui since 1893, and during the year 1894 was one of the teachers at the Boys' Collegiate School. Sh is one of the appointed teachers on the staff of the Girls' College. Miss Black has been very successful in training pupils for the Trinity College examination, and has a large connection.

I was very kindly sent a huge quantity of material from a lady in NZ who has researched the Hickson family tree also.

Fun to find out we are related!


Offline Glamis

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 527
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 12 October 10 21:27 BST (UK) »
Hi , Yes, I think I have seen this article but Thank you for highlighting it. As far as My Mum recalls the Hicksons were a varied and colourful bunch. I haven't heard of the Fencibles before now. I will look them up. Mum's Uncle Wilfred Hickson used to goad her into saying naughty things to her Granny- very Grand lady she was and very Victorian ; Children were seen but not heard!She only remembers her Mother; Olive Mary speaking of days with Dr Black but I am not sure which brother she referred to. It is great to connect, this has happened to me here before with another cousin from my G'grandfather; the one married to the Victorian Grand Lady Granny my Mum recalls. His younger sister had 10 children and this other cousin is descended from her.' PM 'me.

Offline ablack

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 3
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 12 October 10 23:50 BST (UK) »
Some trivia - because the both Mrs Black and Mrs Hickson were related, all the Hickson descendants are related to all the descendants of Dr Black also.
Let me know if you would like any more info.

Offline Glamis

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 527
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 00:19 BST (UK) »
Yes please bot do 'pm ' me. For me, it would be great to know more about you as a cousin if you would consider it? I am in strong contact with the other cousin I have mentioned. I understand if you would rather keep things to this level though. I just have to say I am amazed at what has turned up this far Thanks to the WWW, Rootschat and the many people who have helped out in my various quests.

Offline Kiwisue

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 26
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #70 on: Sunday 24 August 14 09:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tropical, No, they were quite well placed but remember these were times when folk used their initiatives and skills having left the 'home lands'. Yes, Mum recalls all Uncles and we sat down yesterday and she ticked them off on a list and married up their respective wives. We didn't go so far to do the children she recalled but will do another day.
Uncles list-:
Wilfred,
Harold,
Lesley,
Keith
Arthur
I found two male children one died at 7 hours old and another at 3 months in 1885. ( Possibly twins) Won't post the refs until I learn more. If they are siblings to Olive Mary and her Sister and their brothers then that is more sadness for Olive and Louisa.


On this point I am surprised given your interest in family research and  the fact that your mum is still alive and albeit rather muddled on occassion  that you haven't delved into her Aunts and Uncles to gleem any knowledge she might have of them.  I wonder if she rembers being told that one of them died in WW1 and one in Africe in 1900 (there must be  a story in that )


I also noted  that Miss Black also taught music to Cora Hickson who would have been Olive Mary's cousin.




Jenn
Hi - Cora Hickson was my Great Mother and I have a bit of info on the Hickson tree if you would like any further info
Carson - Ballee, Ballymena, Ireland & New Zealand - also Murray, Duffin & Shaw connections to this family
Cording - England & New Zealand
Hickson - New Zealand, Ireland & Australia
Tarr, England & New Zealand

Offline Kiwisue

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 26
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #71 on: Sunday 24 August 14 09:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tropical, No, they were quite well placed but remember these were times when folk used their initiatives and skills having left the 'home lands'. Yes, Mum recalls all Uncles and we sat down yesterday and she ticked them off on a list and married up their respective wives. We didn't go so far to do the children she recalled but will do another day.
Uncles list-:
Wilfred,
Harold,
Lesley,
Keith
Arthur
I found two male children one died at 7 hours old and another at 3 months in 1885. ( Possibly twins) Won't post the refs until I learn more. If they are siblings to Olive Mary and her Sister and their brothers then that is more sadness for Olive and Louisa.


On this point I am surprised given your interest in family research and  the fact that your mum is still alive and albeit rather muddled on occassion  that you haven't delved into her Aunts and Uncles to gleem any knowledge she might have of them.  I wonder if she rembers being told that one of them died in WW1 and one in Africe in 1900 (there must be  a story in that )


I also noted  that Miss Black also taught music to Cora Hickson who would have been Olive Mary's cousin.




Jenn
Hi - Cora Hickson was my Great Mother and I have a bit of info on the Hickson tree if you would like any further info

Is this the family of Louisa Cook & Richard Hickson you were asking about - the names I have are

Richard Theordore Annesley Hickson1880 – 1900

Florence Louisa Hickson1881 – 1891

Olive Mary Te Akau Hickson1883 – 1956

Arthur Selwyn Hickson1885 – 1969

Herbert Leslie Hickson1886 – 1941

Wilfred Howard Hickson1889 – 1930

Harold Jordan Hickson1890 – 1953

Noel Skerrett Hickson1892 – 1953

Clarence William Hyndman Hickson1894 – 1918

Keith Melville Hickson1896 – 1955

Claude Merland Hickson1898 – 1958

Ethel Constance Hickson1907 – 1908

Carson - Ballee, Ballymena, Ireland & New Zealand - also Murray, Duffin & Shaw connections to this family
Cording - England & New Zealand
Hickson - New Zealand, Ireland & Australia
Tarr, England & New Zealand