Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne

[Glamis]

Oh Great- Thanks Tropical, This is indeed sensible direction. I will have to ask because they lived and had links with:-Wellington, Auckland and Palmerston North. The firm of solicitors may have well been the family firm ; that of Hankins, Fitzherbert and Abrahams. It is now Fitzherbert Rowe but no family links remain with the modern firm. I am very grateful for this forethinking. I'll ask Mum.

[sparrett]

Hi All
This has indeed been an interesting thread to watch. 

We are fortunate in some instances to have living memory as a guide to the past.

We must remember it is only a guide and the holders of those memories may themselves have been told confused tales of various sorts.

 When confronted with the factual information the memories, which seemed so correct at the time, can be revised... as in your case GLAMIS when your mother (doing her best to help) realised that the trip to Australia did not after all happen.

We are fortunate to have such wonderful resources in Australia and NZ and in this forum, such wonderful brains to consult and intererpet them.

Again, thanks for a good tale!!

Sue

[Glamis]

Thanks Sparret for all you say and glad you have found this interesting. Tropical, I asked about the Law firm and who dealt with the sale of the property and whilst it is the most likely event that the family firm would have done the necessary there is no proof. I have looked through various websites and on NZ Archives but can't see if there is an archive about property sales and deeds etc. It may be me but if anyone does know where to look I'd be very grateful.

[jorose]

Here is your connection: Miss F. E. Black, music teacher, was the granddaughter of Dr Thomas Black.
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc01Cycl-t1-body-d4-d172-d20.html

It seems she was the only daughter of Hugh Latham Black judging by this article:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WH19070617.2.107&srpos=1&e=-------10--1-byDA---2Florence+E.+black--

Florence may have passed away in 1909. Given that she seems not to have married and had no siblings, it's not impossible that she left something to a student she was close to.

[Glamis]

Jorose, I could hug you with joy and sincere Thanks because if you scroll down to the bottom of the 2nd article it lists Mrs Blacks relatives who are my Mother's Grandfather and Great Uncles: Mrs Black was a Hickson and as such;my Mother's Great Aunt, Olive Mary's Aunt and Miss F E Black was my Grandmother's cousin!!!!! Well found. Yippee. xxxxxxx I have told my Mum and this was like watching a light bulb switch on. She simply  said 'Oh yes, that's it' and then a laugh...
This now completes the 2 questions which have lead this wonderful part of the journey. I/We now know which Dr Black and what his connection to Olive Mary was and then which house he lived in which is Cintra, Melbourne. I Thank all who have helped thus far. I am very grateful.

[tropicalj]

An excellent find Jorose

tying the two families together,  allthough being honest  nothing to prove  she wa left anything from Dr. Black as I have reread the document and no beguest to Olive Mary.


Perhaps as you have stated your mothers memory is not all that good and needs a gentle push in the right direction,  you need to ask your mother could she have been left monies by Miss Black who was her cousin.


Are New Zealand willis online???


Florence's Death notice
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WH19090528.2.16&srpos=7&e=--1908---1909--10-WH-1-byPU---0Hugh+Black--

Jenn

[Glamis]

Hi Tropical, Yes all of this, Sadly, Wills are not available online. I'm asking about the situation though.
Thanks again.

[tropicalj]

Thanks Tropical, No, they were quite well placed but remember these were times when folk used their initiatives and skills having left the 'home lands'. Yes, Mum recalls all Uncles and we sat down yesterday and she ticked them off on a list and married up their respective wives. We didn't go so far to do the children she recalled but will do another day.
Uncles list-:
Wilfred,
Harold,
Lesley,
Keith
Arthur
I found two male children one died at 7 hours old and another at 3 months in 1885. ( Possibly twins) Won't post the refs until I learn more. If they are siblings to Olive Mary and her Sister and their brothers then that is more sadness for Olive and Louisa.

On this point I am surprised given your interest in family research and  the fact that your mum is still alive and albeit rather muddled on occassion  that you haven't delved into her Aunts and Uncles to gleem any knowledge she might have of them.  I wonder if she rembers being told that one of them died in WW1 and one in Africe in 1900 (there must be  a story in that )


I also noted  that Miss Black also taught music to Cora Hickson who would have been Olive Mary's cousin.




Jenn

[sparrett]

Hi Glamis,

Good to read you have reconsidered things in light of the recorded and factual material found by CANDO and JENN.

Easy to be adamant in the face of a convincing oral  saga

There is no doubt they rate with the best and most experienced in the Rchat team

 The story, as unfolded by them for you and the other great workers makes much more sense now.

Sue