Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne

[tropicalj]

Must ask  without appearing to be rude that is not my intent  but how did you come to the conclussion

It seems Olive Mary Te Akau was a philanthropist.

here is her parents marriage

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MH18790715.2.9&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0hickson+louisa--
Jenn

[Glamis]

Well done Cando.....

I found it hard to conceive the possibility of her coming to Australia when  her mother had a large number of children younger than Olive at home all boys  the other older girl having died young.  At least one son died in WW1  and another did in Africa in 1900 perhaps in one of the so called Boer Wars. 

Family folktales do have an element of truth but also fiction  involved.

Tropical, can you please qualify this- especially about an ' older girl having died young'? Olive Mary Te Akau was born from Hicksons and Cooks who are numerous and were as prolific as most Victorians. Her Marriage announcement states she was the only daughter of her father. If there was an older daughter, this is news to me/my Mum.

[tropicalj]

1881/16205 Hickson  Florence Louise
mother Louisa father Richard

she died in 1891  aged 10
adeath in  the paper to confirm it
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MH18910616.2.8&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0Hickson+Florence+--

Jenn

[cando]

Jenn I find that the most difficult research is attempting to validate family stories.  After receiving two not very pleasant pm's some time ago from a chatter who didn't agree with the facts I had found, I no longer post all that I find, just point the person in hopefully, the right direction to find the information for themselves.  

Glamis I will leave it you to you pursue the history of the family of Dr Thomas BLACK.  The sons according to the Will were well set up in New Zealand which is the reason they get less than the others.  Have you read all the links and downloaded Dr BLACK's Will?

My ancestors who lived in East St Kilda, were involved with All Saints [Church of England]Anglican Church, albeit it some time after the establishment, so have quite a lot of information on file.

All Saints Church, in East St. Kilda, owes its existence to the Rev John Herbert Gregory, who started the movement for the erection of the church in the latter end of 1857. The land, on which the church stands, had then been reserved as a Church of England site for building purposes by the Government. The first trustees of the land were Dr Thomas Black [of Cintra], Sir George Stephen, Alexander George Dumas, John Dudley, and W. Cann. Designs for the church were invited, and two plans were sent in.

Perhaps you can search for more information/facts to confirm you mother's story.  I think it is a good idea to do all the basic research into the bdm's, electoral rolls, Wills, Parish records etc. and then try to put the 'meat on the bones'.

Cheers
Cando

[Glamis]

Dear Both, Tropical first, Thanks for the link re: Louise. I am left quite saddened by that and will now want to search her last resting place. Thanks also Cando, Yes, I've looked at the links but no I haven't downloaded the Will for Thomas Black. Suffice to say,I know Olive Mary did go to Melbourne and as a consequence found her gifts with music and children. Thank you both.
Just to say that what I have found so far about my Great Aunt was her full name was Florence Louisa Hickson- she died 14/06/1891.
I have no idea what from or why and I'd really like to know where she is laid to rest. As Olive Mary was 8 years old when her sister died, she'd be fully aware of all the emotion etc. I surmise that this may be why she had her interest in the welfare of children re: Plunkett and Sir Truby King.

[tropicalj]

From  what I have read Olive Mary's parents were not poor folk, the father had a position at one point as a civil servant so one would think that  the sister Florence death would not relate to child of poor people or in need off any state welfare......... who knows  a crystall ball would beneifit all of our research.

Does your mother remember any of her uncles??  there may be still quite a bit of family in NZ  by the number of brothers

Jenn

[Glamis]

Thanks Tropical, No, they were quite well placed but remember these were times when folk used their initiatives and skills having left the 'home lands'. Yes, Mum recalls all Uncles and we sat down yesterday and she ticked them off on a list and married up their respective wives. We didn't go so far to do the children she recalled but will do another day.
Uncles list-:
Wilfred,
Harold,
Lesley,
Keith
Arthur
I found two male children one died at 7 hours old and another at 3 months in 1885. ( Possibly twins) Won't post the refs until I learn more. If they are siblings to Olive Mary and her Sister and their brothers then that is more sadness for Olive and Louisa.

[cando]

Dear Both, Tropical first, Thanks for the link re: Louise. I am left quite saddened by that and will now want to search her last resting place. Thanks also Cando, Yes, I've looked at the links but no I haven't downloaded the Will for Thomas Black. Suffice to say,I know Olive Mary did go to Melbourne and as a consequence found her gifts with music and children. Thank you both.
Just to say that what I have found so far about my Great Aunt was her full name was Florence Louisa Hickson- she died 14/06/1891.
I have no idea what from or why and I'd really like to know where she is laid to rest. As Olive Mary was 8 years old when her sister died, she'd be fully aware of all the emotion etc. I surmise that this may be why she had her interest in the welfare of children re: Plunkett and Sir ruby King.

Plunkett Society was founded in 1907 Dr Frederic Truby King who was a medical superintendent and lecturer in mental diseases.   This was 5 years after Mary's advertisement to attract pupils to her kindergarten. Possibly her interest was prompted after the birth of her children.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ps/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plunket_Society

Thanks Tropical, No, they were quite well placed but remember these were times when folk used their initiatives and skills having left the 'home lands'. Yes, Mum recalls all Uncles and we sat down yesterday and she ticked them off on a list and married up their respective wives. We didn't go so far to do the children she recalled but will do another day.

Glamis

May I suggest you also research the information on the various bdm websites where possible and detail all the registration numbers etc into your family history programme.

We are now moving away from you inital request for information on Dr BLACK and a property in Collins Street.  Long threads going off on tangents often deter others from helping and as you are no longer seeking information on a family in Australia, perhaps place your family requests on the NZ board and link this thread to save duplicate searching.

Cheers
Cando

[Glamis]

No Cando- her first born was in 1907; Sir Truby Kings beginnings and Yes- NZ is right for the remainder of this but actually I do still need to clarify the Dr Black mystery which is in Melbourne! Thanks very much for all so far though.Any more ideas re: Dr Black? I really can't see it as Dr Thomas Black.
Got to get some Zzzds now. Night night.