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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 04 September 10 13:24 BST (UK) »
It would appear that Olive commenced her musical examinations in New Zealand...

Junior pass in 1894
TRINITY COLLEGE MUSICAL EXAMINATIONS.
Wanganui Chronicle, Volume XXXVIII, Issue 12120, 29 September 1894, Page 2

http://www.rootschat.com/links/09pf/
TRINITY COLLEGE RESULTS.
Wanganui Chronicle, Volume XLIII, Issue 15000, 3 September 1898, Page 2

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http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ph/
and passing her Senior Grade.
MUSICAL EXAMINATIONS.
Wanganui Herald, Volume XXXIII, Issue 9916, 16 December 1899, Page 2

Miss Olive Hickson intends opening a kindergarten and is going through a thorough course of kindergarten work.......l
Evening Post, Volume LXIII, 27 January 1902, Page 4
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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 04 September 10 13:48 BST (UK) »
And her music teacher named in both those stories was MISS BLACK   ???

Perhaps that's where the name is remembered from & music teacher Miss Black a member of the Black family from VIC to NZ   :-\

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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 04 September 10 13:56 BST (UK) »
Yes I noticed that Merlin... ;D   However she would be quite elderly as Dr Thomas BLACK's children were born commencing 1833...and I have attemtped to trace them but haven't posted my findings...thought it was too much info ::)   Could be a grand daughter of Thomas :-\  I suppose I am just trying to validate what information we have been given.  Family stories are often distorted with the telling.

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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 04 September 10 14:07 BST (UK) »
Cando and Merlin- Thanks and well found. I had no idea my Grandmother was also a Kindergarten teacher, if she did indeed follow it through.


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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 04 September 10 14:10 BST (UK) »
Yes she appeared to if you read the advertisements...and then were quite a few more.  I haven't posted all of them.

Olive appeared to receive her music education in New Zealand.

Her marriage
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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 04 September 10 14:39 BST (UK) »
A few points -

*There does not appear to be a shipping record to and from Australia for Olive.
*It is certainly doubtful that Olive gained a piano teaching qualification in Australia as she only passed her junior exam in New Zealand in 1894.
*A trawl through all the Olive HICKSON newspaper items sadly does not reveal anything of her musical career.
*The Melbourne CBD Collins Street property which according to the terms of Dr Thomas BLACK's will, was to remain leased and the many beneficiaries were to receive the income as part of their annuity. The property was valued by the executors in 1895 at £130,000. The many newspaper items reporting the hearings at the Supreme Court of Victoria indicate there were legal difficulties executing the terms of the will.  The property does not appear to have been left to your grandmother.  I note that Dr Archibald Grant BLACK appeared before a Taxation hearing in 1933 in regard to land tax on a property he had inherited, the rental of which was distributed.  I wonder if there is some sort of connection with the sale of this property.  I have tried to find a connection for Dr Archibald BLACK and his brother Dr John G BLACK, sons of Mr James BLACK, with Dr Thomas BLACK, but to date no connection.  Strange that both Dr Archibald and Dr Thomas lived in homes named 'Cintra'.

Family stories are an extremely valuable resource but invariably they are often a tad inaccurate or the facts have become distorted over time.  I am only attempting to help find the facts.

And that's about it from me...time for bed.

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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 04 September 10 15:35 BST (UK) »
Oh Great find Cando, I have been looking for that and it may link to another thing my Mother keeps going on about- All Saints Church. As for Dr Black, are you sure this is the chap? I wonder if it could be a different man as I suggested a son or may be a different sort of Dr? As for my Grandmother's music career, I think it is possible 'life' may have curtailed it; marriage and children then the Great Depression. This is the only reference to a solo performance I can find so far.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZT18980107.2.48&srpos=10&e=-------10--1----0miss+mary+hickson--

Ps- Good night and Thanks again

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Re: Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 04 September 10 23:18 BST (UK) »
Well done Cando.....

I found it hard to conceive the possibility of her coming to Australia when  her mother had a large number of children younger than Olive at home all boys  the other older girl having died young.  At least one son died in WW1  and another did in Africa in 1900 perhaps in one of the so called Boer Wars. 

Family folktales do have an element of truth but also fiction  involved.

A possible scenario is  that the Miss Black she trained under perhaps had wealthy connections in Australia and as social climbing was prolific she may have grabbed on to her coat-tails so to speak.

Like Cando I could not find her coming or going to Australia and if CAndo who has obviously spent a long time on  this hasn't found it either it leads me to doubt the story in its entirety


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