Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne

[tropicalj]

marriage in NZ

reg no 1906/4161
Bride Olive Mary  Hickson
Groom  John George Herbert  Hawkins 

Hawkins would appear to be a mistranslation

births up to 1910

reg no 1907/21783
name Hankins  John Annesley
mother  Olive Mary
father John George Herbert


1910/552 Hankins  Bryan Dalrymple 
mother Olive Mary
father George John Herbert

Jenn

[tropicalj]

So if she was born in 1883  and married in 1906 somehwere in those years she came to Australia and lived with a Dr. Black who  died  when??? and left her property/house? in Collins Street in Melbourne  that was sold in  the 1930's

Jenn

[Glamis]

Tropical- well found and yes, exactly that. I / My mum have nothing else to go by. If Olive Mary Te Akau was born in 1883 and got this 'ACTL' whilst in Dr Black's household aged 14; that would be 1897, there has to be a register of 'ACTL' graduees somewhere. Maybe, this will provide a better timeline? Is there anyone who knows what 'ACTL' means? I can only think it begins Accredited Teacher of Classical....' or ' Associate Teacher of Classical ...'? Mum says Olive Mary was a concert pianist.

[cando]

"Cintra" at 423 St Kilda Road was also the home of Archibald Grant BLACK...wonder what the relationship was with Thomas.... Archibald's parents were James BLACK and Margaret GRANT and brother of Dr J G Black.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5925333/251099?searchTerm=archibald%20grant%20black#pstart251099

Death registration

BLACK Thomas
Father Thomas  Mother Jane TREWIN
95 years  at St Kilda  1894  Reg#11308

Cheers
Cando

Dr Thomas BLACK owned land on the corner of Collins and Swanston Street.  - Informative and interesting -
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8705438?searchTerm=Thomas+Black

Cnr of Collins and Swanston Street was the site of the now demolished Queen Victoria Buildings....certainly not a house property   The buildings were erected six years prior to Dr Thomas Black's death.

The south east corner of Collins and Swanston Streets is now known as City Square
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Square,_Melbourne
http://www.walkingmelbourne.com/building604.html

Dr. Thomas Black; Member 1858,1859 Philosophical Institute of Victoria St. Kilda, Vic, Australia
Dr. Thomas Black; Member 1860 Royal Society of Victoria, St. Kilda, Vic, Australia

Looking further afield away from the CBD -

Sands & McDougall 1865
BLACK Thomas  MD  Surgeon  Cnr Robe and Wellington Streets, St  Kilda
Sands & McDougall 1875, 1885, 1888, 1892
BLACK Thomas Chapel Street, St Kilda Physician

At St Kilda Cemetery

On 2 Feb 1874 at Cintra, St Kilda
Charlotte, wife of Thomas BLACK MD, aged 74 years

Thomas BLACK M.D., F.R.C.S.
Died 15 Sep 1894


There are a number of HOGG burials at the same location.

Cando
 

[cando]

Long post with lots of info and then locked out and lost the lot

Briefly -

Google Dr Thomas Black and there are many items related to the property at Collins and Swanston street.   There were numerous beneficiaries and were many Supreme Court hearings relating to value of property.  In 1895 the executors of Thomas Black's estate valued the property at £103,000.

One snippet
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10496136?searchTerm=dR+THOMAS+BLACK

Thomas and Charlotte BLACK had 8 children the many newspaper reports indicate that there were numerous beneficiaries although names are not mentioned.   Perhaps your grandmother was one of the many beneficiaries when the property was eventually sold.

Cando

[majm]

Re ACTL

I'm not sure yet but I have just spoken with several elderly forebears who obtained ALCM in the 1920's and 30's in NSW.  (ALCM being Associate of the London College of Music).  They all feel that ACTL was
"A" for Associate, ie indicating FEMALE     "C" for Classical   "T" for Teaching/Teacher  "L" for Licence

They are fairly certain ACTL was the certificate issued from London, but are not sure if the LCM would have been the issuing authority, in the late 19th C, but it certainly was the issuing authority in the 1920's and later.  Theory and practical examinations were held annually and students needed to pass both before they were promoted to the next grade.  Many NSW graduates at 9th grade and higher would then try out for the Sydney Con.  
I realise this info is several decades later than your lass' likely graduation but it is the best I can offer, Sorry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_College_of_Music
There's hundreds of references to the London College of Music Examinations in the Oz online newspapers.  http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Have you checked the NZ Papers Past website laterly, its regularly updated  
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

(Similar issues here Cando in trying to post this)
Cheers,  JM

[cando]

Perhaps the intials of the qualification have been transposed by Glamis

Associate (A.T.C.L.) Performing Diploma is from Trinity College London.

Cando

[tropicalj]

Did Olive Mary HANKINS die in NZ ?

not sure if you are from NZ or if your mother moved from  there


If your grandmother was a concert pianist you would think there would be some mention of it  and there would be family heirlooms to substainiate the story?

We will keep  looking

Jenn

[Glamis]

Hi All, Like you, I too had problems getting on the sight last night. It was completely jammed. Anyway, Thanks again for your input. If Dr Thomas Black is 'our' man then my Grandmother would have been just 10 years old on his death. I feel to air on the side of caution because if he was a widower and elderly at that, I doubt he'd be taking charge of a minor but who knows. Anyway, Majm- Thanks, it is great to have the 'ACTL' sorted out a bit better. Mum has always said it but never knew what it actually stood for. (Olive Mary died in NZ in 1954 NZ BDM Death Reg 1954/21972) Tropical, I too have looked in NZ Past papers for Concert pianists but as yet haven't found her mentioned. Mum says when she was 5 years old she recalls her Mother seated at a piano practising her works. Chopin's Etudes and Schuman in particular. As for the piano and sheets of music- long gone. The Depression saw to that. She believes her concert pianist days must have been before she married and had her 4 children.