Christina KERR snd Richard PAINE

[Romaly]

I am needing some help with these two please.

I have the four daughters born to this couple but I cannot find their marriage or when they came to Australia.
They lived in the Castlemaine distrcit.
Christina remarried in 1875 to William Bacon and died a widow at Campbells Creek.
Her marriage cert to Wm Bacon says she was called Paine formerly Kerr and was a widow since1864.
Her death at age 73 states that she was in Victoria for 32 years. I have not found a death for Richard Paine. (Payne, Pain, Pane)
thank you
 Romaly

[cando]

Any of the children's birth certificates would give you the date and place of marriage.

There is this death in 1866
PAYNE Richard
Parents unknown  57 years  Born England  1866  Reg#5390

Cando

[sparrett]

Hi
The man shown by CANDO died 30/6/1866.
He is buried at KYNETON CEMETERY.
Section D
Row 8
Headstone 1 reads...
Sacred/to the memory of/Richard PAINE/Died June 30th 1866.

Sue

ADDING..2 different spellings of the surname in CANDO's and my postings, but certainly same man.

[Romaly]

Thank you very much for those quick replies. I did see that death but to know that he is buried in Kyneton makes him look like my man.
I'll take a look at that cert.
Thankyou
Romaly

[cando]

 

Her death at age 73 states that she was in Victoria for 32 years.

Romaly

The first Victorian birth registration to this couple was in 1856 so she was in Victoria for at least 35 years at time of death.

Is this her death?
BACON Christina
Father Beer James  Mother Sarah WRIGHT
73 years at Castlemaine  1891  Reg#14313

Births
PAINE Sarah
Father Richard  Mother Christina KERR
At Kyneton  1856  Reg#13545

PAIN Jennet Jane
Father Richard  Mother Christina KERR
At Kyneton  1858  Reg#13473R

KERR Jennet Jane
Father not recorded  Mother Christina KERR
At Kyneton  1858  Reg#13473R

PAINE Christina Kerr
Father Richard  /Mother Christina KERR
Born Kyneton  1859  Reg#15101R

KERR Christina
Father not recorded  Mother Christina KERR
At Kyneton  1859  Reg#15101R

PAIN Mary Ann
Father Richard  Mother Christina KARR
At Lauriston  1861  Reg#9368R

Death
PAINE Christina
Father Richard Mother Christina UNKNOWN
8 years  born Victoria  1868  Reg#1477

Perhaps they never married.

Cando

[Romaly]

Thanks Cando  yes thats her death.
I have viewed His death cert now and the informant was the undertaker with no information about the wife but very accurate details of the children , so I'm going to presume that they were not married.
Richard Paine is a farmer on his death, would that mean that he owned his land? as opposed to being a farmhand? 
There is no will on the prov site

Cheers and thanks again for your time
Romaly

[cando]

I'm going to presume that they were not married.

Romaly
As I mentioned previously, the birth certificates of the children would give the date and place of their marriage however the duplicate registrations usually indicate illegitimate births.  I agree with you, I doubt there was a marriage.

Richard Paine is a farmer on his death, would that mean that he owned his land? as opposed to being a farmhand? 

Romaly
I have seen quite a few incidents of farm labourers being described as farmers. 

Details on all Victorian certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Cando

[sparrett]

Hi
 http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/

I just wonder if the reason for not marrying may have been that he was already married.

Convict

Paine Richard Arrival 21 Feb 1836 per Asia (4) departure 08 Nov 1835 from Sheerness.

Application to marry

PAINE Richard To Colony per Asia  McDONALD, Mary Ann To Colony per Emma Eugenia Date00 SEP 1846 Ref.CON52/2 p404

Sue

[cando]

This Richard born c1807 and the Richard who died in 1866, born c1809.

Marriage
PAINE Richard 39 years
McDONALD Ann  39 years
19 Oct 1846
At Hobart  Reg#48/1846

Baptism
PAINE William Charles
Father Richard  Mother  Mary Ann
25 Sep 1850  At Hobart  Reg#3695/1850

Link to his description
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09o9/

Cheers
Cando