John Loughlin, Ponui Island, Thames *COMPLETED*

[Thamesite2017]

Me again
that tree you found has Johns full name as DAVID JOHN
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Althea

[Lin Up a Tree]

The burial records for that JOhn are at Waikumete
which is still a possibility as some Thames ones even then seem to pop up there
I can check the fiche to see where that was registered
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/cemeterydetails.aspx?id=91016
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Althea

Nicely found, Althea!    I wonder if that's him? Also, could he be buried with anyone even if it's not in the index, do you know?

I'm not sure where his wife Eliza Jane is buried -- Lindy's OP mentioned that she was in the Tararu Cemetery, but the only record I can see online at http://web.tcdc.govt.nz/cemeprod/cemeteries.aspx for Eliza Jane LOUGHLIN is the one for their daughter (or so it seems), later Eliza Jane WHITLEY..?

[kiwihalfpint]

deleted .... read the question wrong

[lindynz]

Thank you very much for all that... I think all those Loughlins you found are probably the same family, including James McGowan Laughlin. I haven't seen the name spelt with an "a" but they definitely had a son of that name.

 I think that the John Laughlin at Waikumete might be worth pursuing, it never occurred to me to search for that spelling, so thank you for finding that, it sounds promising! That birth year of 1824 corresponds with my guess, I was thinking somewhere around 1827, but that's pretty close. I haven't seen a birth record for him. It is starting to look like John may have left the family.

The children of John and Eliza Jane:
Fanny Sarah (Mckee) b.England 1848 d.1920
Isabella (Graham) b.England 1851 d.1926
Agnes (McCormick) b. 1855 Co. Down d.1905 Thames
Samuel Jamieson b. 1857 England d.1931 Paeroa
David John b.1859 Comber d.1919 Thames
Eliza Jane (Whitley) b.1861 Belfast d.1933 Thames
Mary Jane (Wood) no details
James McGowan b.1865? Thames d.1948 Thames

My apologies, some of the details may be incorrect, but you get some idea of the family names to look out for.

The Eliza Jane who is buried at Tararu, from what I can tell, both Elizas are buried there, mother and daughter.

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Eliza Jane (Mother) is at Tararu Cem, Monumental inscription is:
In memory our dear beloved mother Eliza Jane Loughlin who fell asleep trusting in Jesus on 29 July 1904 for ever with the lord
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Althea

[Lin Up a Tree]

The Eliza Jane who is buried at Tararu, from what I can tell, both Elizas are buried there, mother and daughter.

Eliza Jane (Mother) is at Tararu Cem, Monumental inscription is:

That's awesome, girls - at least you've got that one ironed out, Lindy! 

I haven't seen the name spelt with an "a"

Looking through Papers Past for example, and in the NZ BDM index, I can see both Loughlin and Laughlin esp in the early years as well. Wonder if it was an accent-related variation (when telling someone how to spell the name)?  One of my Helliwell ancestors ended up being recorded as Hellewell (and all kinds of other vowel mixtures of it), not to mention "Allowele" once! 

It is starting to look like John may have left the family.

I reckon that could be a good possibility at this stage too. Newspaper-wise (although could be totally circumstantial esp if issues are missing etc) it's interesting that it's fairly easy to find notices of births, deaths and marriages for the rest of the family, but no death/funeral/memorial mention of John...

? a James M G b 8/12/1868? because he is at school 1879, father John Loughlin of Pollen Street.

... so at this stage, would you say that we still have John alive in 1879? Are there any other facts beyond that?


p.s. I noticed in the newspapers that John/family were in a place called Graham's Town/Grahamstown in the early years, not sure if that helps (a wedding notice in particular, also stating that the father John was from County Down, Ireland originally)...?

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Graham's Town/Grahamstown in the early years

This was part of Thames as it is today
There was Shortland in the South and Grahamstown to the north
connected by Pollen Street.
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Althea

[lindynz]

The Grahamstown reference is Thames, so that would be them. I have seen a number of newspaper and directory mentions for them (though I haven't searched for the name spelt any other way), I can only conclude he was probably still alive in 1879 going by that school record, but it's hard to tell. Eliza seems to be by herself in later directories, sorry I can't recall what year she first appears by herself.

[Thamesite2017]

Sadly that 1892 death was registeredm at Auckland
but may not discount him as he could have been working at Auckland or still at Ponui??at times.

Many Thames men went away for periods when the gold situation dwindled to earn money.

This family name is associated with Whakatete Bay, just down the coast.
There are other researchers still in the Thames area
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Althea