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Secas, Leeds?
« on: Tuesday 31 August 10 22:06 BST (UK) »
A distant relative has given me the birthplace of my g grandfather's brother as Secas, Leeds.  I have googled Secas but to no avail.  Can anyone enlighten me please?  Is it a parish, a district etc or merely a misspelling?  Any help would be appreciated.
Gloucestershire: Bathe, Brown, Cowley, Foster, Isaacs,Keey
Somerset: Brown
Wiltshire: Bathe
Yorkshire: Foster

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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 22:25 BST (UK) »
Hi, as an old Leedsonian there is a district called SEACROFT to the east/north /east of LEEDS maybe this is what you are looking for? Secas Doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 23:29 BST (UK) »
Have we a name and a year?
It is Leeds West Yorkshire not Leeds Kent you are looking at.
Could it be Sheepscar?
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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 08:23 BST (UK) »
Hi
perhaps this is a colloquialism e.g. Shadwell might be called Shadders or Shaddas by local people.
I agree with Brian, we need a name and approximate date of birth to take this further.

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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 08:45 BST (UK) »
Coming from Leeds and originally speaking broad Yorkshire I agree with the main name that Secas was meant to be Seacroft.
I am sure we used to call it that name when younger but as its along time ago and I dont live in Leeds anymore you brought back some memories for me lol
Some Yorkie will know for sure
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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
Hi again ,another thought struck me about your Secas,could it be SEE CAS ,cas is used by locals to refer to CASTLEFORD which is not far from LEEDS.
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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 16:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all who have replied. 

I am struggling with this side of the family as they have a common name - Foster - and I have no local knowledge of Yorkshire.

George Foster was born abt 1858 (according to the censuses).  He was the son of William Foster (b 1825 Skelton Nr York) and Eleanor Pullen (b 1827 Wighill, W Yorks).  Father William moved the family around as he was a journeyman tailor.  The first three children were born in Boston Spa.  The fourth (George), fifth and sixth were born in Leeds.  Then the whole family moved to Bristol where another three children were born.  I haven't bought certificates to verify the facts I have picked up from the censuses as it would be too costly.  There are far too many Ann, William, John, George, Allan, Eleanor (Ellen) and Elizabeth Fosters to enable me to hit on the correct ones.

George is an elusive fellow.  On the 1891 and 1901 censuses he declares himself married but neither time is a wife at home with him.  Neither can I find a marriage for him in Bristol and because of his common name I can't pinpoint a marriage elsewhere.

Why do we put ourselves through this?!
Gloucestershire: Bathe, Brown, Cowley, Foster, Isaacs,Keey
Somerset: Brown
Wiltshire: Bathe
Yorkshire: Foster

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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 17:07 BST (UK) »
Is this him in 1881 ?
 Elenor FOSTER     Head     W     Female     54     York, England     Ladys Nurse (Sub Med)     
George FOSTER     Son     U     Male     23     Leeds, York, England     Artists Son (Service)     
 Allen FOSTER     Son     U     Male     18     Bristol     Painters (Laborer)

The family are living at
1 Lower Park Hill
Bristol St Michael, Gloucester

If this is your family then George married between 1881 and 1891 and if he was in Bristol St Michael in 1891 then that is where you should look first.
I'm not sure about the word (service) after his occupation or indeed if artist was his occupation. Perhaps this is the wrong family, the father's occupation should have been Tailor (journeyman means that he was a master tailor, not that he moved from place to place).
I think that in Bristol library you should find the electoral rolls for 1 Park Hill and if you follow them through the years from 1881 to 1891 George should either disappear when he marries or his new wife should appear. Assuming that address belonged to the family from from 1881 to 1891.

hope that helps
Dave
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Re: Secas, Leeds?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 18:34 BST (UK) »
I think that if you look at the 1881 image closely it says Artists model for George's occupation.  Service is written over the top of it in larger letters and a different hand so it is difficult to read.
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Andrea