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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 21:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you Nell,
that is excellent, I am pleased to know it is in the Parish Register entry.  Another researcher has where the Brides surname is written, it is not simply WATERMAN but 'John WATERMAN', would it be possible that this person was a former husband and that WATERMAN is not in fact her original maiden surname?
I wonder why that would be written, of course it could be that John WATERMAN is her father, that is another possibility.
Sorry to be a pest.
Kind regards from a chilly, wet and windy Hamilton NZ
Brenda

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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 21:36 BST (UK) »
I have to admit that I'm struggling to find a baptism for Elizabeth.  1851 is the only census which gives a birthplace and she appears to have died in 1855.  Given that she was apparently born in or about 1801, she would have been a very young widow to be remarrying in 1819.  I can't find any indication that she was a widow at that time.  Only the original entry will tell you that.

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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 12 July 11 21:58 BST (UK) »
Dear Nell,
Yes, difficult isn't it when it is so far back.  I wondered if her mother's name was Louisa as she named her eldest daughter Louisa and the name seems to have gone down the generations.
Will have a hunt for a Louisa and John WATERMAN and see if that turns up anything.
Cheers
Brenda

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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #30 on: Monday 19 December 11 22:01 GMT (UK) »
Clark's in Portsea

Hi there as well as the three boys did you know that James and Elizabeth also had a daughter called Leah?  :)

Leah born 1812 married Richard Macdonald New in 1838 - They are my great^2 grandparents.

I'm interested in James history - in your posting you list his parents etc and was wondering where you got the info from - I and a couple of other 'cousins' have been searching for years without success.

Also have you got death dates for James & Elizabeth which I believe were between 1841 and 1851?

Many thanks in advance
Sparkgirl (female electrician)
North Kent (Darford-Rochester) - Martin, Carter, Davis, Redsell, Hollands, Hartup, Kendle, Willmouth
Portsea - New, Clarke, Oxford, Wallis
Polstead - Martin/Marten inc Red Barn Murder
Liverpool - Owen (1805ish)
Melrose(ish) - Grant/Millar
Weymouth - Davis
Newfoundland - Rowe
Cogges, Witney - Pickett
East Lothian - Kidd & Whitson
Southborough (Norfolk) - Starke & Clarke


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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 01 January 12 02:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,
I'm another Australian descendant of Adam, via Aaron and Victor Clark. I'm particularly interested in the fate of the young orphans of Adam and Louisa, the business partnership of James and Aaron, and the earliest Portsea material as well. Best wishes to all

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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 01 January 12 11:16 GMT (UK) »
I know I contributed earlier into this thread, but the name Sheaf & Sheath is so alike and records seem to get mixed up.

Consider these brief events, which I wonder if the Sheaf Family historians would like to comment upon-more details to follow if those historians want.


Free BMD marriages
Dec  qtr 1867 
Amelia Sage & Aaron Sheaf      Alverstoke    2b   915


They go to live in Lower Pyle Street, Newport in 1871 census. This looks like Aaron’s second marriage-she is daughter of a William Sage and his wife Mary Ann-that Sage family is living in Pyle Street, Newport in 1871 census.

Aaron Sheath   37
Amelia Sheath   23
Emily Sheath   1
Alfred Sheath   15
William Sage   44
Mary Ann Sage   46
Hatty Sage   15
William Sage   12
RG10/1162/22 p 2


In 1873, September, an Aaron Sheath, Alfred James Sheath and a man called James George are accused of fishing illegally in the Beaulieu river and are fined £5 at Hythe Petty Sessions.

In July 1875, there is an attempted double murder in Newport, Isle of Wight at the home of Aaron Sheath and his wife Amelia, when a man called James Guy, formerly in the army from Glasgow shoots his wife Fanny Wells, but his shots go wide. The incident occurs at 9, Lower Pyle Street, where Aaron keeps a small fish shop on the south side of the street. Both Amelia and Aaron have to give evidence at the hearing.

1881 census
Aaron Sheaf   50
Amelia Sheaf   30
Emily Amelia Sheaf   11
William Henry Sheaf   9
Walter Thomas Sheaf   7
Charles Ernest Sheaf   3
Infant Sheaf

RG11/1174/26 p 1

In July 1884, A William Henry Sheath, aged 12, drowns in the River Medina, whilst swimming. There is an inquest in which an Aaron Sheath, fisherman of Coppins Bridge, and father of William gives evidence.

In July 1885, whilst Amelia is visiting her sister in Portsmouth who was ill, Emma Louisa Sheaf (note name), was looking after the family, though her father Aaron was downstairs. She found that her infant brother Thomas Henry Sheaf, aged 9 months, was dead. This was in the Sheaf’s house in Coppins Bridge.


Tom

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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 01 January 12 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Some wee gems in there Tom, thank you.  Would love to hear more.  Just to clarify, this is Louisa's brother Aaron that Tom is referring to, not her father, though father Aaron also got in trouble with the law, as you will see in earlier posts.

ACGable - I am a descendent of Aaron and Louisa through son Joseph Clark, who moved to New Zealand as a young man, so let me know if you would like to know more about the NZ family.

I would certainly like to know more about Josephs siblings and their families.  I have a little info on the younger sons, Aaron, Joseph and James, but virtually nothing about the older English-born ones - if anyone knows anything would love to hear from you.

Happy New Year  :)
 


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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #34 on: Monday 02 January 12 17:08 GMT (UK) »
Clark family in Portsea (Part of Portsmouth) in 1780-1830s - This is what I have managed to pull together with the aid of several cousins.

James Clarke born approx 1780 married Elizabeth (surname unknown) somewhere between 1805 and 1812. James was an agricultural labourer.

James and Elizabeth had four had least four children:-
Leah born 19th August 1812 in Farlington ( a village near Portsmouth)
Esau & Jacob (twins) chr 16th Nov Farlington
Adam chr 30th May 1819 in Farlington

By 1841 the Family was living in Rudmore. Portsea, Adam was still with his parents. Next door was Jacob with his family and 2 doors away was Leah married Richard Macdonald New on 24th Sept 1838 (Leah & Richard are my great^2 grandparents).

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North Kent (Darford-Rochester) - Martin, Carter, Davis, Redsell, Hollands, Hartup, Kendle, Willmouth
Portsea - New, Clarke, Oxford, Wallis
Polstead - Martin/Marten inc Red Barn Murder
Liverpool - Owen (1805ish)
Melrose(ish) - Grant/Millar
Weymouth - Davis
Newfoundland - Rowe
Cogges, Witney - Pickett
East Lothian - Kidd & Whitson
Southborough (Norfolk) - Starke & Clarke

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Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« Reply #35 on: Monday 02 January 12 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Given the proximity to Portsmouth, this may be the marriage:

James Clarke married Elizabeth Cole 11 May 1807 in Wymering

There were possibly another two children for this couple baptised in Wymering, not far from Farlington:

Samuel, son of James & Elizabeth Clark, 30 July 1809
Elizabeth, daughter of James & Elizabeth Clark, 17 Feb 1811

However, I can't find Leah's baptism  :-\

Nell
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