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BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« on: Friday 27 August 10 17:48 BST (UK) »
Hi,

My g g grandmother was Elizabeth Boyle, born 5/3/1829 in Drumgask (Seagoe). She had three younger brothers, James (1831), William (1836), and Isaac (1842).There may have been more siblings and by the time Isaac was born the family had moved to Tirsogue (Tiersogue, Shankill, Lurgan Rural). Elizabeth's father was John Boyle, a tenant farmer, and her mother was Margaret Levingston. John was still alive and had a farm tenancy in Tirsogue at Griffith Valuation. He also had a sub-tenant, John McConnell. 

All of the Boyles mentioned above, except John and Margaret, moved to Scotland where the males worked as coalminers in Lanarkshire. Elizabeth married a James Smith some time before 1851 and the marriage would have taken place in Ireland. James was killed in 1862 in a mining accident in Scotland, and Elizabeth re-married my g g grandfather, Charles Walker. Charles was also born in Ireland, but his birthplace remains unknown despite extensive research.

Does anyone have any further info on any of the people referred to above? I would be very much obliged to here from anyone who has researched them or who has any knowledge of them whatsoever.

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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 February 11 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I know your post was from a while back, perhaps your still looking, or could maybe help me out with my search?

I have a GG Grandfather Neal Purdie, who married in Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland in 1881. His Parents are listed as John Purdie and Elizabeth Boyle. Elizabeth was probably born in the 1820's, similar to your Elizabeth, I believe Elizabeth and John were both born and married in Ireland. John and Neal were also both Coal miners. Quite a few coincidences. My research problem is that I can't find Neal's irish birth record, and I believe it may be because either his parents didn't marry, or his last name was different at birth.

I have a few more details on Elizabeth and the Purdies if anythings sounding familiar.
Renfrewshire Families
Cameron
Hamilton
Keith
McDonald
Miller
Morrison
Potter
Purdie
Smith

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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 February 11 10:56 GMT (UK) »
I have a GG Grandfather Neal Purdie, who married in Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland in 1881...  My research problem is that I can't find Neal's irish birth record, and I believe it may be because either his parents didn't marry, or his last name was different at birth.

Not sure why you think parents didn't marry or Neal's surname was different at birth.
Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864- after Neal was likely to have been born before 1864 and for earlier dates you need church records (if they survive) but to start liooking for records you need to know both the family's religion and where they lived (parish if not actual townland).
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 February 11 21:01 GMT (UK) »
As Aghadowey has pointed out, unless you know your family's religion and parish or townland where they lived, then you are in the proverbial needle and haystack situation. My Walker ancestors, who are believed to have fled to Ireland about 1685 as Scottish  Covenanter refugees, were to be found all over south west County Antrim, particularly near to the border with north east Armagh, where our Boyles lived. Our Boyle family were Roman Catholic, but had intermarried with Presbyterian families at various times.

Also, despite the fact that I had precise knowledge of my mother's McGonagle family in Glenmornan, County Tyrone, I had a devil of a job identifying which branch or sept of the McGonagles were my direct line. Fortunately, I found most of them on various websites, but it took many months of sorting out who was who. Problem is that in the era subject of your research each family tended to only use a handful of very common first names, with generation after generation having identical names. I also had the additional problem caused by the multitude of "English" Walkers in Ulster.

After about 18 months of research I still couldn't tie any of my Walker family down to any Townland whatsoever, and to preserve my sanity, I simply gave up. Anything before 1864 simply cannot be done without considerable further information.

Good luck with your quest, and I presume you already know that the first name you have referred to as "Neal" is usually spelt "Neil" in Scotland.


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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 February 11 21:35 GMT (UK) »
On the subject of spelling it just occurred to me that the surname "Purdie" is the Scottish spelling. The surname is, or was, almost exclusively spelt "Purdy" in Ireland.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention other websites, but on one that I use, which charges 5 Euro per guess plus £1 Sterling bank charge, there are a fair number of persons named John Purdy who married in various Ulster counties from about 1858 onwards. At a guess your Neal Purdie would have been born about that time. Unfortunately the only real method is to make notes of the years and counties of both parties to the wedding. Then you must play Russian roulette and try a lucky dip at 5 Euro a shot. With a surname like Walker I'd have been better spending the money on drink, as I reckon I found every Walker in Ulster except any of my family. However, you never know, as Purdy is not too common. The same site also has details of a gravestone inscription referring to a Neal Purdy, who died in County Derry in 1931. Problem you are going to have is with the name Elizabeth Boyle, as in some townlands, there was one in almost every other house.

Hope the above is of some help to you.

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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 November 11 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

My g g grandmother was Elizabeth Boyle, born 5/3/1829 in Drumgask (Seagoe). She had three younger brothers, James (1831), William (1836), and Isaac (1842).There may have been more siblings and by the time Isaac was born the family had moved to Tirsogue (Tiersogue, Shankill, Lurgan Rural). Elizabeth's father was John Boyle, a tenant farmer, and her mother was Margaret Levingston. John was still alive and had a farm tenancy in Tirsogue at Griffith Valuation. He also had a sub-tenant, John McConnell. 

All of the Boyles mentioned above, except John and Margaret, moved to Scotland where the males worked as coalminers in Lanarkshire. Elizabeth married a James Smith some time before 1851 and the marriage would have taken place in Ireland. James was killed in 1862 in a mining accident in Scotland, and Elizabeth re-married my g g grandfather, Charles Walker. Charles was also born in Ireland, but his birthplace remains unknown despite extensive research.

Does anyone have any further info on any of the people referred to above? I would be very much obliged to here from anyone who has researched them or who has any knowledge of them whatsoever.

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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 November 11 14:09 GMT (UK) »
I believe that John McConnell (born 1834, died 1902) mentioned in your post was my great grandfather who was a Weaver.  He lived off what is now called Bowens Lane, Banbridge Road, Lurgan, Co. Armagh.
You can see it on Google Maps but not yet on street view.

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Re: BOYLE family DRUMGASK/TIRSOGUE
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 November 11 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Thanks very much for your reply, but I've since discovered that the John Boyle I mentioned in Tirsogue wasn't "our" John Boyle, who appears to have died in Drumgask or elsewhere in the Lurgan area before the Famine. His widow and her family, including my great great grandmother, Elizabeth Boyle, came over to Scotland some time in the 1840s. Elizabeth was definitely born in Drumgask, as were one or two others, but her youngest brother Isaac is simply recorded as having been born in Lurgan. 

At a guess they would have probably been related to the family who rented out the house to your John McConnell in Tirsogue, but I cannot be sure about that.

Thanks anyway for taking the time and trouble to reply.

John W