Hi Sandymc
thanks loads for your reply, I thought noone would.
It is quite a hard one as its quite a popular name, and records are not brilliant before 1800.
I am not sure about your John and Samuel, I do not think they are from Leicester its 150 miles from Sowerby bridge. I think the Bates are a Yorkshire family.
I did find a John Bates abt 1735 Sowerby, married Sarah unknown abt 1760 which I think would tally with Sam born 1763.
I think i have to accept this is a dead end for now, I cannot make it to Yorkshire as i live in South West Wales and its a 4-6 hour drive.
thanks again for the help
Lorraine
