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John Swindley
« on: Wednesday 25 August 10 23:23 BST (UK) »
I'm in New Zealand, & tracing my husband's family. I've gone back on the Swindley side here as far as I can, to John Swindley who was my husband's grandfather. The best connection I can find is on FreeBMD, a John Swindley born in Chester in 1880. What's my best bet of finding out more, as I don't have a credit card so can't order 'online' info? Is it possible to contact the right archive, say via snailmail, with the appropriate payment in UK money, to have a transcript copy sent to me? I'm fairly new to this, so would appreciate any helpful suggestions, thank you. :)

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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 23:36 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

We really need to make sure you have the right John Swindley before you perhaps waste money on certificates etc

What were the names of your husbands parents including his mothers maiden name (do not post details if they are still alive - if they are I will contact you by pm and make other arrangments to get the info)

If they are deceased - when and where were they both born and where did they marry
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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 August 10 00:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carol, that was quick! His parents are both deceased & details are:father
Joseph Robert Swindley, b 15/11/1934, m2/1956, d 5/7/1983 - all in NZ
Mother Lucette Eliane Jacqueline Foucher, b 28/4/1931 Noumea, New Caledonia; d19/1/2005, Auckland, New Zealand
Joseph's parents were: John Henry Vincent Swindley, b1880 (est - based on his age at death recorded as 59)prob UK, m 25/5/1931 Wellington, New Zealand, d 9/6/1939
Claudina Silveria De Brum (sometimes recorded as 'Clandena/ Claudia' 'Da Brum/ De Brun' b 12/10/1891 Auckland, New Zealand, d 27/11/1945 Auckland New Zealand.
I can't find any Swindleys born in NZ around 1880, let alone any John Swindley.
Thanks for your help.

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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 August 10 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hi

I don't think that Cheshire birth is the right one - he only had one christian name

If John H V was b 1880 and his son Joseph was b 1934 - that would make him 54 when Joseph was born and Claudina 43 so they were both getting on a bit if they only married in 1931

From http://www.exploregenealogy.co.uk/NewZealandMarriageRecords.html

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Information on a Marriage Certificate
Under the Marriage Act of 1854, the only things registrars had to record were the date and place of the marriage, the full names, ages and status of the bride and groom, along with the groom's occupation and the names, addresses and occupations of the witnesses.

However, the Act was amended in 1880, so that the marriage certificate also included the places of birth and residence of the bride and groom, the full names of both their parents, the occupations of both fathers and the maiden name of the bride's mother. From a researcher's point of view, this additional information can prove vital in tracing the family back another generation.

Do you have any of the above info from the 1931 marriage cert
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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 August 10 03:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Carol,
Thanks again & I just realised while I was out that I typed in John's other son's name! The father was actually John Vincent Harwood Swindley! It is hard when they have so many names - not all are recorded on every document, so it's all in the connections, aye?
Regarding their ages - yes, they were older as John was Claudina's second husband, & Joseph was their youngest child. She had 5 or 6 to her first husband, then another 5 with John.....

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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 August 10 12:05 BST (UK) »
They presumably had children before they married on 25/5/1931 if Joseph was the youngest of 5 children and he was b 1934

Re: my reply above - is any of the info re: parents and birthplace listed on the 1931 marriage cert?
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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 August 10 01:12 BST (UK) »
Yes, this family history can get pretty murky! Claudina was married in 1910 to first husband, & had 7 children, but divorced him 3/12/1928. Going by the oldest of the Swindley children, it looks like she & John were 'together' while she was waiting for her divorce, as the first of John's children was born earlier in 1928. On Joseph's birth record, John was the informant, & states that at that time they also had a 3 yr old son, & 3 girls aged 6,5 & 2 yrs. I can't find birht records for the earlier children. His marriage to Claudina is clear on this record as 25 May 1931; his age 54, her age 46, & the registrar has signed & dated the record 20 November 1934, only 5 days after Joseph's birth. John was a fireman, he states, but he only uses his first name, although Claudina's full name is there.
I also have a clear copy of John's will, with solicitor's notes regarding John's health at the time etc.
Re the marriage certificate - I haven't been able to get a copy yet, as on the government online records, it won't be available til after 25 May next year (80 years after the event), otherwise I have to wait til I can get down to Wellington to look it up in person. Finances are an issue at present, but it's looking like some time soon we will have to go on the road to get further in our search.  :)
I have looked up every freely available record here, & asked relevant family members, but we can find nothing further back for John here. I've searched birth records back to 1870 & no Swindleys at all.
By the way, the 2 oldest children to this relationship are still living, which is why I'm only giving vague details re their births.
Thanks again for your guidance so far.  :D

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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 August 10 08:04 BST (UK) »
Sorry the last one was so long - this part of the family is a little tangled. Also, my mention of finances was not to say I'd have trouble paying for certificates - it was just to explain the limitations of my research so far. A cert is far less cost than a trip of at least a few days,  as we live a good 6 hours away from Wellington.
If anyone can give me any more pointers, other than the Free BMD I've used so far, to trace birth records from afar, I'd be very grateful. Or to advise where this thread would be better placed? Thank you  :)

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Re: John Swindley
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 August 10 22:15 BST (UK) »
John Henry Swindley registered on
www.cheshirebmd.org.uk 
1888 birth  Chester  Chester Castle  Cheshire West   CAS/69/99
8 years later than your 1880 ....the only John Henry Swindley on cheshbmd within the time frame....I`ll check on freebmd to see if 2nd middle name Vincent is mentioned.....allan :)
on freebmd it`s John Henry Swindley b dec qtr 1888 Chester  :)

37 records for SWINDLEY on www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb  click database  ..95% of these records are in Chester....allan (in case you don`t know of this site)
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford