Treanor/Trainer

[thylacene]

Trying to track down details of ancestor that was born in Manchester 1826 & Transported to Tasmania 1844.
Getting details & confirming people very difficult from Tasmania especially with Surname spelling having many variations.

Hopefully someone in Manchester can assist.

Ancestor was "Mary Treanor". Trial was at Manchester Borough Quater Sessions, June 24 1844.
Any details from trial would be most appreciated.
1841 Census show a "Mary Trainer" from Primrose St Manchester with the right birth year. Not sure how to confirm if this was the same person.
Also a Birth Record from St Mary's Mulberry St Manchester of a "Mary Treanor". Would appreciate it if someone has details of Birth records from this church & could pass them on.

Also interested to find out what this area of Manchester was like around 1840's. From what I can Gather it was a very depressed area.

Any assistance would be appreciated and am very happy to recipricate with any Aussie details I may be able to help with.

cheers

Mike

[Cancan]

Hi,


The Manchester Libraries website shows for the Quarter Sessions of 24 June 1844, a Margaret Treanor,  as Manchester Central Library has closed until 2013 for a refurbishment, I think these  records have gone into storage until that date

I'm pretty sure the records have not been sent to the temporay library but you could try contacting them.  Ref: GB127.M116/2/4/14 also give name and date and what reocods they are


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_studies

The Tempoary library does also hold a microfilm of St Mary Mulberry St (RC Church) for the date you require.


Cancan

[bursy]

Hi Mike,

Baptism Registers St. Mary's, Mulberry St from the Catholic FHS

Mary Treanor
Born -  March 17th 1826
Baptised - March 19th 1826
Father - Thomas
Mother - Judith Hickey
Godfather - Martin Callen ?
Godmother - Elizabeth McClair

Hope this helps

Regards, Dave

[thylacene]

Many thanks Dave. Your a legend!
Have been tracking poor Mary's life for a couple of years now
and feel like I know her.

I found where she was buried a couple of weeks ago.
and will take her some flowers in a couple of days.

cheers

Mike

[henry34]

Hi Mike - did your Mary marry Thomas Trainer/Treanor in 1847 and is she buried at Oatlands? Thomas was for some years a publican at Tunbridge.

Henry34   

[Aurora]

I am interested in a John Treanor who was born in Manchester circa 1806 (although I have found no baptism on the IGI at familysearch.org who I can identify as this John Treanor).  Can anyone help me with information on this fellow?  I am also very, very anxious to contact a “J.Livingston” who left a message on the “Convict Tales” section of the website of the Perth Dead Persons Society (Western Australia) – www.perthdps.com   The message is:-  Contact: J. Livingston -  John TREANOR was 15 and from Manchester when he was sentenced to 7 years for petty theft in 1821. He was my grt. grt. grandmother's brother. He wrote home 1845 and I have his original letter. He became a free man and married. He changed his name to Jones and had at least two sons called Edward Treanor Jones and Thomas Treanor Jones. He lived in Goulburn, NSW. His letter is poignant. I am happy to send a transcript if anyone is interested. I also have a letter from his brother who was transported to Tasmania on the Prince Regent in 1818.
On the DPS site was an e-mail address for “J.Livingston” which was -  ^(*)
I tried sending him an e-mail at this address but it bounced back as being undeliverable!  So I think his entry on the DPS website must be very old. I extremly keen to contact him, SO DOES ANYONE RESEARCHING THE TREANOR FAMILY AT MANCHESTER KNOW OF THIS “J. LIVINGSTON”?

At least I have the info about John Treanor being a convict from Manchester who arrived on the "Minerva" in 1821.  But I think the key to the whole thing is getting access to the letter he sent home in 1845.  I will be so thrilled if and when I finally see it!  It is no use having this info if I do not have a source and cannot verify it, and I think the source would be the letter.

On the Tasmanian Archives website I found details on a Daniel Traynor who arrived in Tasmania on board the ship Prince Regent (2), so I do not know if this is the brother that “J.Livingston” is referring to.

My interest in this family is that John Treanor was my great-grandfather and the Edward Treanor Jones that J.Livingston refers to, is my grandfather.  For 25 years I have had an absolute brick wall trying to find out something about my great-grandfather, who I believed was “John Treanor Jones” (variations: Trainor, Traynor etc).  I guessed (but had no absolute proof) that he was another convict, John Jones from London who arrived in the colony of NSW on board the “Heroine” in 1833, and settled in Goulburn, NSW.  But it seems that I was wrong about that.

I was so excited when I found this entry on the Perth DPS site.  It is wonderful to finally have a breakthough with this branch of my family.  But I am desperate to find J.Livingston, and to see a transcript of the letter written in 1845 – SO, HELP DESPERATLY NEEDED!!
From Aurora.

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[Dundee]

Hi Mike,

As Cancan said, it was Margaret TREANOR who was tried at Manchester in June 1844.  Her convict indent gives her mother's name as Susannah, brothers Thomas and Peter, sisters Mary, Catherine and Susannah all living at her native place (Manchester). I can see this family on the 1841 census with father Thomas who is a cotton weaver.  Margaret isn't with the family.

Indent (2 pages)
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-3,360,90,S,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-3,360,91,S,80

Conduct Record
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON41-1-4,198,172,S,80

Her marriage applications are also on the Tas Archives site.  If your Mary married in March 1847 then this can't be her as Margaret's second application to marry was in December 1847.

There was another Mary TRAINOR who arrived on the Hope but she was not free until 1850 and married John DAVIS in 1847.  I can't see any others that would fit your dates.

The Archives have not yet indexed all passenger arrivals online but if you contact them they do have a card index to those records that have survived.

Debra 

[McCabe]

Mike, Manchester in that era had gone from being a prosperous new industrial town to one that was growing too quickly with major employment issues as a result of mill mechanisation.  My Treanors which were a large family had migrated from Ireland post the 1798 events but the flow to and fro didn't end there as there was often trips back.  My gggrandparents lived along the river in Manchester and were not in good circumstances by the 1840s.  There were riots.  *cough!*  One of the family mainstays fled to America and became quite a notable figure at that place.  I grew up with stories of that but couldnt fit it all in till I found where it originated from.  He once led quite a large gathering of Irish back to Ireland from Manchester too to protest events in Ireland.  I don't do family history but do do cultural heritage so have been very interested in the landscape stuff that goes along with Irish ancestry and which was also trasported as a discipline to Australia with the descendents being taught the local dinsencha traditions from childhood.  The Irish were still mostly peasants when they spilled out of their island into the UK, then many were shipped to Australia or went to America.  The change in circumstances took many quite a while to catch up with.  My Treanors (likely your Treanors too), were distillers and continued that in Australia.  The stash at the spring up behind Trenors town became something a bit more sophisticated as the years went by.  My dad once fed me claret cup and when I told my Mum she sought him out and demanded to know was it alcoholic.  He laughed and said "not these days". 

[lea_18]

Hi,

i have just come across these posts..very helpful.

I have been researching Thomas JONES who married Rosina CURTIS. Their daughter Rosina JONES is my ancestor. Rosina married William TOPHAM in Goulburn NSW. Rosina JONES death states she was born in Burrowa NSW to Parents as Thomas JONES farmer and Rosina CURTIS.

I have been having great difficulty in finding anything more on Thomas JONES...it seems that my Thomas and Rosina are the same as you have listed here..

I have found a death for a Thomas JONES 1884 Died in Burwoood from the district Burrowa...and there is a Will or something at the State archives NSW and I wasn't sure whether to get or not.

I am just touching the surface of this line so any help would be helpful and Rosina's 2nd marriage?
cheers
Lea

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