RADCLIFFE family

[Noeline L]

Researching husband's gggrandfather James RADCLIFFE born 21.10.1815 Royton -m 2.3.1836 Esther HEATON.  Oldest son is James (born 4.9.1838 Manchester - hubbies ggrandfather).  Have his other siblings as Mary, William,. Henry, Clara Ellen, Clement Heaton, and John.  Have James marriage in Sydney and family in NZ, but interested in his siblings and his parents siblings and parents.   Research indicates gggrandfather James had an older brother Bernard and two younger sisters Lavinia and Alice.
Any assistance appreciated - Ta in advance
Capricorngirl

[cissy172]

Found this (Although I know you have it)    on the linked site below.....

Marriage: 2 Mar 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Radcliffe - Brewer Bachelor of this Parish and Township of Ardwick
Esther Heaton - (X), Spinster of the Parish of Ashton under Line and Townhip of Duckenfield
    Witness: Emanuel Radcliffe; Charles Andrew
    Married by Licence by: Henry Fielding M.A. Vicar
    Register: Marriages 1836, Page 206, Entry 616
    Source: LDS Film 1565410

Also found this: wonder if they were brothers?

Baptisms: 4 Oct 1818 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Emanuel Radcliffe - Son of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Primrose hill
    Occupation: Spinner
    Baptised by: J.Hordern
    Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1828 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 82, Entry 649
    Source: LDS Film 1545719

Possible Death for Emanuel:
Burial: 21 Sep 1848 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Emanuel Radcliffe -
    Age: 30
    Abode: Ardwick Manchester
    Buried by: Wm.Grant Curate
    Register: Burials 1848, Page 82, Entry 654
    Source: LDS Film 1484387

site I got this off:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

[cissy172]

A possibility:

Baptisms: 6 Mar 1814 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Matilde Radcliffe - Daughter of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Marshes
    Occupation: Spinner
    Baptised by: Joseph Horden Curate of Shaw
    Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1828 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 17, Entry 129
    Source: LDS Film 1545719

Baptisms: 7 Apr 1816 St Paul, Royton, Lancashire, England
Emma Radcliffe - Daughter of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Born: 9 Mar 1816
    Abode: Marches Royton
    Occupation: Tradesman
    Notes: Needs of a Clerk in the morning?
    Baptised by: Thos. Langhorn
    Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1826, Page 77, Entry 616
    Source: LDS Film 1656585

Baptisms: 4 Oct 1818 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Emanuel Radcliffe - Son of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Primrose hill
    Occupation: Spinner
    Baptised by: J.Hordern
    Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1828 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 82, Entry 649
    Source: LDS Film 1545719

Baptisms: 16 Jul 1820 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Major Radcliffe - Son of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Primrose hill
    Occupation: Spinner
    Baptised by: I.Carlyle
    Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1828 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 113, Entry 904
    Source: LDS Film 1545719

Baptisms: 25 Aug 1822 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Levinah Radcliffe - Daughter of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Primrose hill
    Occupation: Weaver
    Baptised by: I.Carlyle
    Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1828 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 157, Entry 1251
    Source: LDS Film 1545719

Baptisms: 28 Jan 1827 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Alice Radcliffe - Child of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Drake Street
    Occupation: Cotton Manufacturer
    Baptised by: J.W. Inchbald Offg. Minister
    Register: Baptisms 1827 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 9, Entry 67
    Source: LDS Film 1545795

Baptisms: 3 May 1829 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Joseph Wild Radcliffe - Child of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Drake Street
    Occupation: Cotton Spinner
    Baptised by: Jos. S.R.Evans Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1829 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 51, Entry 408
    Source: LDS Film 1545796

Baptisms: 30 Nov 1831 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Emma Ann Radcliffe - Child of Joseph Radcliffe & Hannah
    Abode: Drake St.
    Occupation: Cotton Spinner
    Baptised by: W. H. Twemlow Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1831 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 112, Entry 891
    Source: LDS Film 1342496

All in similar areas

[cissy172]

James & Esthers children?

Baptisms: 16 Apr 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Wilde Radcliffe - Son of James Radcliffe & Esther
    Abode: Cheetham
    Occupation: Manufacturer
    Baptised by: W. W. Johnson
    Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 285, Entry 2275
    Source: LDS Film 1545611

[cissy172]

Just found this out off another board

''The Collegiate Church of St Mary &c was the 'parish church' of Manchester from c 1215 to 1847, when the Diocese of Manchester was created (out of the Diocese of Chester), and the Collegiate Church became Manchester Cathedral''

[Noeline L]

 Hi Cissy,  Very many thanks for all your research.  Being in NZ it is sometimes hard to access all the stuff available, especially from home.
I have come to the conclusion that you're correct with almost all of the records you unearthed.  In the interim I have scouted around and found another birth for Joseph and Hannah - James 1812 (possibly died as a babe).  Also found wot I think is their marriage in Prestwich (28 Oct 1807) - Hannah's maiden name being Wilde - think daughter of Joseph and Mary Wilde (nee peacock) and Hannah born at Royton and christened on 20.8.1786 at Oldham.

Still having no luck in finding wot happened to their son Bernard (born 1813).  Know he was alive and in England for 1841 census - a visitor at James and Esthers home that night, together with his sisters Levinah and Alice. 

Found wot I suspect is death of Joseph Wilde Radcliffe (born 1837 to James & Esther) - 1839 in Cholton.

Also think that several of Joseph & Hannah's children died young -
James born 1812, Matilde, Emma 1816, for instance.  Yet to do any research on Major born 1820.

Again many thanks for your great help
Capricorngirl

[trish1120]

Firstly here is the 1841 Census for the Family.
1841 Census
Drake St, Castleton,
Rochdale, Lancs
HO107/550/15/Rochdale
Joseph RADCLIFFE, 55, Ind
Hannah, 50
Ellen, 30
Matilda, 35
Major, 20
Levina, 15
Clement, 15
Emma, 5
All born in County
+ in same Household are;
William WOOD, 30, Cordwainer, N
Harriett, 30, N
William, 11mths, N

1861 Census
45 Hyde St, Ardwick, Lancs
RG9/2869/72/37
Hannah RADCLIFFE, 74, Head, Widow, born Royton, Lancs
Levina, 37, Daug, Unm, born Royton
Alice, 33, Daug, Unm, born Rochdale
Emma A, 28, Daug, Unm, born Rochdale
Christina, 7, Grand/Daug, born Hollinwood

1891 Census
Garburgh House,
Manley Road,
Withington, Lancashire
RG12/3163/42/25

Thomas DYSON, 56, Head, Mar, Smallware Merchant, born Huddersfield, Yorks
EMMA ANN Dyson, 58, Wife, Mar, born Rochdale, Lancs
Amy Dyson, 23, Daug, Unm, born Manchester, Lancs
Leonard Dyson, 20, Son, Unm, Clerk in Shipping House, born Manchester, Lancs
Clara Dyson, 18, Daug, Unm, born Manchester, Lancs
LEVINA RADCLIFFE, 68, Sister in Law, Unm,  born High Compton, Lancs
Hannah DAVIES, 21, Servant, general Servant, born Montgomeryshire, Wales

So Levina seems to have never Married and Emma Ann is Mrs Dyson;
Married March 1877, Oldham, 8d 731 (FreeBMD)
So looks like Thomas may have been a Widower by Childrens ages.

1851 Census EMMA is visiting Brother MAJOR, Wife Mary A born Sheffield, Yorks, in Broughton, Lancs. His Mother in Law is Elizabeth PARTON.
They have 1 Child, Rosa E age 1.
Cant find a Marriage though.

Trish

[trish1120]

I couldnt help myself and had to find out who Christina from 1861 Census Parents were;
Looks like she is one of yours!
Christina RADCLIFFE, Christened 29 June 1854, Cathedral, Manchester, Lancs
Parents JAMES and ESTHER

1871 Census is badly mistranscribed and she is down as the Wife of a Joseph Barnes , age 16, and her Mother Esther as her Daughter age 24
The Barnes are a separate Household.
They are in Yorkshire.
RG10/4671/50/12
Actual image has;
Esther RADCLIFFE, 54, Wife, Mar, Manufacturers Wife, born Lancs, Bolton
CHRISTINA Ratcliffe, 16, (described as Sister!), Scholar, born Lancs, Oldham
+ 1 servant

Trish

[trish1120]

CLARA ELLEN Ratcliffe, born c 1851 to James/Esther
I couldnt find a Marriage on FreeBMd as I was looking in the wrong timeframe as in 1891 they only have 1 child.

1891 Census
68 Belle Vue Road,
Leeds, Yorkshire
RG12/3707/25/2
William M MYERS, 38, Head, Mar, Iron Merchant, born Leeds, Yorks
CLARA E Myers, 39, Wife, Mar, born Holmwood, United States!
Esther T Myers, 3, Daug, born Hunslet, United States!
Esther RADCLIFFE, 74, Mother in Law, Widow, born Bolton
Hannah I Ratcliffe, 15, Neice, born Holmwood

Another mistranscription
Actually just says, Holmwood, Hunslet, Bolton etc

Marriage from Familysearch Pilot;
William Mansfield TYERS, age 25
Clara Ellen RADCLIFFE, age 26, 17 September 1877, York, England
DEATH Reg;
Esther RATCLIFFE, June 1891, Leeds, 9b 499, Age 74

Trish