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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #9 on: Monday 23 August 10 14:25 BST (UK) »
what was his occupation?

Westmorland street directories might help you know the address from his marriage cert. you can work backwards from there to see when he moved to Westmorland.
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what you are saying is on the WW2 national registration taken on 29th Sept 1939 he appears in Pitsea under the name of David E Montgomery with Cecilia Montgomery

this is slightly confusing in itself
why would he as a 4 year old child be living under an assumed name? unless of course he had been adopted
official adoption took place after 1927 as Pierre was born in 1935 it could be he was offically adopted, have you contacted the relevant government department re adoption?
 
could the name De Monti have been anglicised to Montgomery? but then would he have married under Montgomery an not De Monti?

what happened to Cecilia and  David? have you followed these people to see if David and Pierre are the same person?




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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 August 10 14:58 BST (UK) »
We know roughly when he moved to Westmorland. What we don't know is how or why he came to be with Cecilia in Essex. It seems that we need to check the Adoption Register Index to see if he was formally adopted but there are very few places where this is available and none near us. We now know that Cecilia died in 1967. I'm sure David and Pierre were one and the same as they had the same date of birth and National Health number. Under the Freedom of Information Act they will only release details of deceased persons from the 1939 register and as far as I understand, they cross reference NHS numbers to check that someone is deceased before releasing any information.

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 23 August 10 15:15 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is linked

Marriage
Oct/Nov/Dec 1898
Huddersfield
9a 655
James Graham De M Montgomery
to either Harriet Lee or Janet Lunn
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 23 August 10 15:21 BST (UK) »
Interesting!

I'll throw another "could this be linked?" thing in for the pot:

Birth, Jun qtr 1870

James De Montmorenci Montgomery

Tamworth 6b 414


[Hmmm... he died Dec qtr 1871 Tamworth aged 1]
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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« Reply #13 on: Monday 23 August 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
Birth, Dec qtr 1899

Doris de Montmorency Montgomery

Huddersfield 9a 335
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 August 10 15:31 BST (UK) »
We now know that Cecilia died in 1967.

Has a search been made for Cecilia's will (if any)?

(And was AEM de Monti Montgomery ever traced?)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #15 on: Monday 23 August 10 16:14 BST (UK) »
I am trying to trace 2 sisters who in 1935 were living in Pitsea, Essex and
may have moved.


Who were the 2 sisters? Presumably "Cecilia" was one of them - do you have name of a sister of hers?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 23 August 10 16:28 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for your "could this be linked" suggestions, however having hit a "brick wall" with my Dad I have been doing a bit of research into Cecilia. I don't want to detract from the original purpose of this topic but just to give you a bit of info on her, I have found her birth in Scotland in 1892. She was the third of four children with an older sister Mary, a brother Edward and a younger sister Elizabeth. She was actually named Annie Cecilia Montgomery. She was a witness at her older sisters wedding in 1916 and still called Annie Cecilia, but at some point after that she changed her name to Glorie Cecilia De Monti. I have checked marriages in England/Wales and Scotland but nothing has come up. I have had a researcher at Essex records office checking the Electoral Registers and she has been found in Pitsea from 1930-39 under the name of Glorie De Monti yet on the 1939 National Registration she reverts to Cecilia Montgomery. We know it's the same person because of the address (and date of birth on the 1939) also during the 1930's her sister Elizabeth and brother Edward variously lived at the same address or next door. We have checked for a will/probate for Cecilia with no luck.

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 23 August 10 16:35 BST (UK) »
Maybe she reverted to Cecilia Montgomery because she didn't want a name that sounded "foreign" during the war years?