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Struggling to start
« on: Monday 23 August 10 07:49 BST (UK) »
Hi List,
I am struggling to even get started on my late fathers side and need some help.

My late father Pierre DE MONTI was born in July 1935 and lived in or around London as a small child and then moved to Westmorland in 1959.  We have never been able to find a birth registration even though he always said he was born in London.

Since his death we have tried to unravel the mystery.  It looks as though he was at one time in Essex, as we found him on the 1939 Registration in Pitsea, called David E MONTGOMERY, living with Cecilia MONTGOMERY.  Cecilia also called herself DE MONTI so that probably explains the name.  But we don't think she was his mother.  We have found that Cecilia also fostered children.

My father was born in July 1935, but a check of the GRO Birth index has drawn a blank under DE MONTI or MONTGOMERY.

We now wonder if he was adopted.  Is anyone able to check the GRO Adoption Index to see if there is an entry for David E MONTGOMERY or Pierre DE MONTI for the period between 1935 and probably 1939?

Any help or advice greatly appreciated.

Lynn

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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 August 10 08:04 BST (UK) »

Hi Lynn

Welcome to Rootschat.  I am sure that there are lots of people here who will be able to help you out.

Firstly though, do you have a copy of Pierre's marriage certificate??  I can see him in the 3rdQtr 1961 in Westmorland to Beryl BEETHAM.

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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 August 10 09:53 BST (UK) »
It looks as though he was at one time in Essex, as we found him on the 1939 Registration in Pitsea, called David E MONTGOMERY, living with Cecilia MONTGOMERY. 

What is this you found him on?
As he would only be age 4 it cant be an electoral register - but I am struggling to think what it could be!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 August 10 13:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the replies. Yes, I do have a copy of the marrige certificate. The reference to 1939 is from the records of the 1939 National Registration which was a record of the civilian population as at 29th September 1939. The information gathered was used to provide ID cards for people during the war. Everyone was given a number. These numbers were later used as original NHS numbers. Based on my father's old NHS number we asked for a search to be made, the result of which revealed his address in 1939 also his name at that time.


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 August 10 13:21 BST (UK) »
On his marriage certificate what does he give and the name and occupation of his father?
regards panda
Chapman. Kent/Liverpool 1900+
Linnett.Kent/liverpool 1900+
Button. Kent
Sawyer. Kent
Swain. Kent
Austin/en. Kent
Ellen. Kent
Harman. Kent/ norfolk

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 August 10 13:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Lynn, i was also going to ask what Panda has asked but with the additional information of address at time of marriage and witnesses names as these can often be relations.
Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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Re: Struggling to start
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 August 10 13:39 BST (UK) »
Hi
Where does this old query fit in?

"I am asking for a bit of help. On the death certificate of Glorie Cecilia
De MONTI MONTGOMERY in 1967, age 75, in Bournemouth, the death was
registered by what looks like A E M De MONTI MONTGOMERY. This person gave
an address of 701 Endsleigh Court, Upper Woburn Place, London WC1.

I am trying to trace 2 sisters who in 1935 were living in Pitsea, Essex and
may have moved. Can anyone tell me where the electoral rolls would be held
that cover Upper Woburn Place, London WC1, and if possible if someone could
have a look for me, that would be wonderful. I am trying to discover who A
E M De MONTI MONTGOMERY was and figure out their relationship to Glorie
Cecilia. Sadly the death certificate does not state the full name or
relationship and only states that they caused the body to be buried."

Regards
Ray

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 August 10 13:40 BST (UK) »
i know this is difficult but if you know where he was living at the age of 5 then he should have been at school.
i suggest finding the nearest school to his address and looking at the school log book, this may either be still at the school or the local RO, in which case you could drop them an email if you are not int he vicinity, it doesn't hurt to ask and the worse they can say is no.

The school log books may be able to tell you more about the children and father.
School log books:
School Records / School Log Books
1870-Current Day (although 100 year rule applies) School registers provide pupils names, date of birth, addresses, fathers names and fathers occupation and years of attendance if they left to go to another school this would also be noted. Some have a brief explanation about the family.
School Log Books were filled in weekly by the head teacher give attendance figures and note extraordinary events.
From 1862 statutory admission and discharge registers began to be kept by the head teachers of schools receiving government funding, you will discover that many of these commence only in 1880 when schooling became compulsory betwixt the ages of 5 and ten, though local districts could make it from 1870.
School attendance registers were compiled by local education authorities after 1875 these disclose similar information as well as the placement of youngsters in schools throughout the county.
The particulars registered concerning the deaths and births of children submitted to the local education authority (LEA) by the district registrars record the date and place of each event the child’s name, sex his or her fathers name and the description and abode of the informant
Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 August 10 14:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your replies. I will try to answer all the questions raised. The marriage certificate doesn't help I'm afraid. There is no father and the witnesses were friends, not related. His address was very close to where the marriage took place. In relation to an old query re Glorie Cecilia & AEM De Monti Montgomery, we had found this death reg and the names seemed too coincidental to ignore. We were trying to find any information that may help identify who brought my Dad up. We are trying to find out which school/s he may have attended. We know that he was taught at home until the age of 9 or 10. Of course this is made more difficult because we don't know when the change of name occured. As we believe he was either fostered or adopted we need to try and find out his real birth name to try and get any further back.