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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #189 on: Wednesday 28 September 11 00:09 BST (UK) »
Lovely.  The art of the short obituary has been lost.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #190 on: Wednesday 28 September 11 09:23 BST (UK) »
Returning to my earlier attempt at a lists of IFs.
IF John and Elizabeth Halfpenny/Halpin do not have children baptised in Wicklow until the 1780s and they were born in the 1730s or 1740, they doubtless had children born elsewhere.
IF the William Halfpenny who was buried next to the later Halpin enclosure in 1762 was aged 55, he is a standout candidate to be the William Halfpenny who had a son John baptised in Wicklow in 1741.
IF so, this John was a contemporary of Elizabeth, estimated to have been born about 1735.  This John Halfpenny, father William, becomes a candidate to be the husband of Elizabeth and father of William, George, James and Margaret.
IF they were the parents of Richard Halpin, bricklayer (builder) in Dublin, and Richard was inducted into the Guild by (birth), then John was possibly in, or had been in, or around Dublin as a mason, builder or merchant.
Or, IF, as has been suggested, John had been a mariner or even naval officer, had they been in England, Dublin, Cork , Louth or Galway and had John made some sort of fortune at sea, as sailors did in those days?
IF any of the above, why did they (re)appear in Wicklow?  Could it have had anything to do with politics developing around the 1780s and it was best for his family to get out of Dublin?  Or, did he have the Bridge Hotel to take over from a brother, his mother or any other family member?
All the above have Tavern's health warnings applied, in heavy lettering.  But, they are theses to work on.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #191 on: Tuesday 04 October 11 03:48 BST (UK) »
Noting a few records for possible future relevance.
[/list]Richard Halpin, death Jan/Mar 1825 Monaghan age 60 est b 1765
[/list]Oswald Robinson, bap 27/1/1782, Kill St Nicholas Waterford to Richard and Margaret Robinson [Oswald used down generations of this family.]
[/list]Oswald Montgomery, death 1866 Cavan age 77 est b 1789
[George Halpin's wife Elizabeth born c 1785, 2nd son named Oswald.]

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html:
Interesting that all 8 Halfpenny entries in the 1600s are COI.
Bap. Paul 2/4/1676 at St Audoen, Mar. Of Mary 1/1/1662 at St Bride, and Burials of Catherine 17/5/1670 at St Michan, and Frances 27/9/1686, Mary 27/9/1686, Charles 20/3/1682, Patrick 20/3/1682 and Jospoor (sic) 21/5/1683 all at St Catherines.

1700s, two Co Carlow COI parishes produce some interesting names.
Carlow COI: Halfpenny baptisms Unnamed 25/3/1759, Matthew 20/4/1748, parents James/Lydia.  Burials Mathew 17/6/1754, Mary 24/1/1749 aged 23, George 1/12/1750.
Aghold COI [I am pretty sure that this was, and is, the parish church of the BAYLEY family of Moneygrath in Co Carlow, just over the Wicklow border, whom Marie has said are cousins.] Baptisms of James 10/1765 and Susanna 18/2/1759 to William and Margaret, William 3/1/1764 and Thomas 11/2/1759 to Jacob and Catherine, and Matthew 20/4/1748 to James and Lydia, which is the same as the Matthew baptism registered at Carlow. [A Susanna is recorded in Burke's as a daughter of Nicholas in Portarlington at this same time.]
Aghold Marriage of William Halfpenny and Margaret Cowper 1758.  Burials of Susanna 18/2/1759, unnamed 1/6/1766, James 4/1758.
Dublin COI Halfpenny and Halpin 1700s parish registration run to 91, which you can browse at http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name=halfpenny&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=DUBLIN+(COI)&parish=&century=1700&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&submit=Search.


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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #192 on: Tuesday 04 October 11 22:03 BST (UK) »
Examination of  the VESTRY BOOKS for Church of Ireland Wicklow (1710-)

The Vestry minutes normally show the Election of Officers for the coming year such as Church Wardens, Sidesmen, etc. and are signed by some of the local landed gentry. From time to time they include lists of people paying "Cess" and accounts information. There appears to be at least one Vestry per year – usually more.
I hope these minutes will help in locating some early information on Halpins and their possible relations in Wicklow. Here are some of the results:

1.   At a vestry meeting held on 26th March 1733 Mr.Thomas HALBERT was chosen as a sidesman.
2.   Thomas HEAPENY was ? in 1742
3.   Elected Church Warden in 1749 was a Thomas HALBERT
4.   In 1771 among the list paying “the CESS” were Mrs.EATON, Thos HALFPENNY, John HALFPENNY and Thos HALBERT.
5.   14 November 1787 minutes signed by James HALBERT (among others).
6.   Minutes signed in August 1788 by Eaton COTTER.(among others).
7.   In 1789 Eaton COTTER was a warden.
8.   June 1790 Vestry minutes signed by among others, Thomas HALBERT and Thomas HALFPENNY.
9.   1791 minutes signed by Wm HALFPENNY (among others).
10.   1793 and 1795 minutes signed by Eaton COTTER (among others).
11.   Wm HALFPENNY (among others)  signed Vestry minutes October 1798.
12.   Wm. HALPIN was elected Church Warden in 1801 and 1802
13.   Minutes signed by Wm HALPIN in 1801, (among others).
14.   Vestry of 20th April 1802 signed by Wm HALPIN (among others).
15.   Minutes of Vestry 3rd November 1803 signed by, among others, Eaton COTTER.
16.   Vestry 3rd April 1804 – minutes signed by Wm HALPIN and Eaton COTTER (among others).
17.   Among the “proprietors names” listed paying “CESS” in 1804 – (Of a total of 188)  were Mr.John HALBERT; Mr.Wm HALPIN; Mrs. Eliza HALPIN; Widow HALBERT.
18.   Vestry minutes of 22nd January 1807 signed by James HALPIN (among others).


Hope this is of some interest,
Tavern


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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #193 on: Wednesday 05 October 11 00:06 BST (UK) »
Tavern’s Vestry Book examinations are important.  In one respect, they may indicate when the name change occurred, if it occurred.
In 1791 and 1798, Wm Halfpenny signed the minutes.  In 1801 & 1802, Wm Halpin was elected Church Warden and he signs the minutes in 1802 and 1804.  (Tavern, any similarity in the signature handwriting?)  So, did the more streamlined name usher in the new century, a mere 210 years ago now?
Of the four William Halfpenny entries reported by Tavern as having children baptised in Wicklow (or being baptised), which one might this be?  (Or, I suppose, which ones are these?).   I’ll cut and paste Tavern’s information from Page 12.
WILLIAM son of THOMAS Halfpenny baptised 17th April 1741
JOHN son of WILLIAM Halfpenny baptised 24th May 1741
ISAAC son of WILLIAM and ELIZABETH Halfpenny 1755?
MARGARET daughter of THOMAS and MARGARET Halpenny 1756?
JOHN son of WILLIAM and ELIZABETH Halfpenny 10 June 1759
CHARLES son of THOMAS and SUSANNA Halfpenny 5 August 1764
SUSANNA daughter of THOMAS and SUSANNA Halfpenny 1765?
JAMES son of John and Elizabeth HALFPENNY baptised 22nd October 1780
MARGARET daughter of John and Elizabeth HALFPENNY baptised 28th April 1782
NICHOLAS of WILLIAM and MARGARET Halfpenny 30 June 1792
MARGARET of WILLIAM and MARGARET Halfpenny 9th Oct 1795
Is the Mrs Eliza Halpin in the 1804 minutes the wife of William or John?  John Halfpenny only appears once in the minutes, in 1771, until the baptisms in 1780 and 1782, and then no more.  Prolonged absences? 

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #194 on: Thursday 06 October 11 19:28 BST (UK) »
HALPIN V. HALFPENNY
From the VESTRY BOOKS

From Church Accounts in the Vestry book-

1.   In 1808 Mary HALPIN received £5-0-0.
2.   In 1809 Mary HALFPENNY was paid £5-0-0.
3.   In 1811 Mary HALFPENNY was paid £5-0-0.
4.   In 1812 "cash for Widow HALPIN £5-0-0".
5.   In 1814 “By Cash to Mrs. Mary HALPIN £5-0-0” was in the accounts.
6.   In 1815 from the accounts “By cash to Mary HALFPENNY £5-0-0”
7.   In 1816 “By cash to Molly HALPINS salary £5-0-0”
8.   In 1817 “By cash to Mary HALFPENNY Salary £5-0-0”
9.   In 1818 “By cash to Mary HALFPENNY Salary £5-0-0”
10.  In 1819 “Paid Molly HALFPENNY £5-0-0”

This looks like the same person, showing the interchangeability of the surname at that time?  and also I wonder who was this Mary HALPIN?

The Vestry minutes were signed by James HALPIN (among others) in 1807, 1808,1810,1811,1812,1814.

From Church burial records:

On the 19th September 1828 a burial took place in Wicklow of Mary HALPIN aged 75 years.


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Tavern

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #195 on: Thursday 06 October 11 21:37 BST (UK) »
Where's Molly?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
We have never seen any other instances of a non Catholic Halpin family in Wicklow Town than the one/s we have been researching.  So indeed, who's Molly?  A recipient of charity of the parish, had she been cruelly widowed, perhaps a husband lost at sea?  If so, her unnamed husband was Halfpenny/Halpin.  Born about 1753, she was a contemporary of Isaac Halfpenny, above.
Keep in mind that William Nicholas Halpin, who was buried in 1916 in a plot secured by Dr James Halpin, was baptised in 1829 as Halfpenny, parents Nicholas and Elizabeth, a year after Molly was buried as Halpin.  As Tavern notes, interchangeability occurred at these times and it took more time for some families than others.

James Halpin married Ann Halbert in 1815 yet he was signing the minutes from 1807, when he was aged about 27.  Interesting.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #196 on: Sunday 09 October 11 20:05 BST (UK) »
Wife of William HALPIN

William HALPIN, Paymaster in the 1st Light Dragoons, King's German Legion. William served in the Peninsular war under Field Marshal the Duke of Wellington, and was married to Elizabeth ESMOND.

I notice from a post from Bigbird68 #135 in April 2010 that Eleanor Sophie Halkett, nee Halpin includes her grandmother's name in two of her children’s names.
 Esmonde Robert Crawford Halkett, b 31st July 1883, bapt 27 August 1883, St Peter’s Belsize Park, Hampstead, family at 3 Hemstall Road, West Hampstead
 Died 1884, Hampstead. Aged 1

 Moira Katherine Esmonde Halkett, b 16 October 1890, Hampstead, bapt 16 November 1890, St Peter’s, from Broadhurst Gardens, Hampstead; no evidence for marriage or death in England. 

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #197 on: Monday 10 October 11 04:16 BST (UK) »
Agree with all that except...  I have not registered in anything that BigBird/Ronald posted showing the marriage of William to Elizabeth Esmond.  May I ask where that was found?  Their eldest known child was Richard Halpin (that name again) born c. 1799 so presumably they wed no later than then. 
Their last child Rev Robert Crawford H's wife was Eleanor Wallace, married in Dublin but of a Scottish family, father Robert Wallace.  Their son George William Halpin, engineer, lived in Edinburgh until he and his wife departed for Buenos Aires around 1890.  George's wife was Kate Wemyss from Edinburgh.  Wemyss is BigBird's family.
A lingering question is, what was William doing until 1807, when he got the Paymaster appointment?  Their 4th known child George was born in October that year.  We know the exact date of most of his sons' births from their East India Company applications.