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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #99 on: Monday 08 November 10 20:35 GMT (UK) »
                                                                                           More on FREDERICK HALPIN
Food for thought.......

Now that we know that FREDERICK HALPIN, Gentleman, was living in Dún Laoghaire in 1856, could he be the same Frederick James Halpin, Gentleman, whose son FREDERICK WEBSTER HALPIN was baptised in MARINERS CHURCH, in Dún Laoghaire, Co.Dublin (Church of Ireland).  On The 24th January 1855.

And if so was it someone on behalf of  four year old FREDERICK WEBSTER ("next of Kin" ) who challenged the Will in 1859 of FREDERICK ?

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #100 on: Monday 08 November 10 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Wow, Tavern, what a pregnant find.  A number of thoughts arise to me, and no doubt to others, and probably more will arise as we digest this.
1)  Perhaps most importantly, because we want most to find the origins of these people, is who was Elizabeth Halpin and who was her husband???  If we (you!) could find deeds to do with her husband's death or her inheritance of the Bridge, that would be a quantum leap back a generation.
2)  Why did Frederick have to buy out the estate?  In 1856, Anne Halpin had more than enough sons established in professions or at sea to be able to afford to not see the whole family go bankrupt.  For my part, I feel sure that George in Dublin would have helped.  So why Frederick, who we are told by the burial inscription, was James' nephew?  And why did he leave the hotel (and his entire estate?) to Fanny and Louisa, and to no others?
3)  Frederick, as a sea captain, may have been based in Kingstown, a deep sea port.  I am sure it is mere coincidence but it needs to be recorded that there was another Fredrick Halpin in Kingstown at the same time, Frederick James Halpin, youngest brother of the Rev NJ Halpin, who conducted a private school there.
Most grateful for this excellent research, Tavern.  Please keep it up as long as you can.  I suppose that you are adding these details to that excellent online project you advised of earlier (put together by an Aussie, it seems).

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #101 on: Tuesday 09 November 10 09:11 GMT (UK) »
I wonder what Elizebeth's name was before she marrried. it sounds as though the Bridge could have been in her family and came into the Halpins through her marriage.   

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #102 on: Saturday 13 November 10 10:02 GMT (UK) »
                                                Another look at Church Records 12th November 2010

A James HALBERT married Mary REVELL 30th Aug 1795 in Wicklow Town(COI)
(Bill, Remember REVELL Clements in #95 above Crawford to Crawford?)

An Ann HALBERT was born to James and Mary HALBERT 9th January 1797, Wicklow Town (COI).

With no other Ann HALBERT born around this time I would be confident this is the Ann who married James HALPIN. (This would leave her 18 when she married).

James HALPIN and Ann HALBERT married in April 1815 (I notice 1814 being mentioned elsewhere?).

James’ mother, Elizabeth, died in February 1814.

A burial record of interest for 7th October 1896 :
Frances Crawford 6 Marchmount Terrace, Glasgow late of Ardrossan lodging at Mespil Road, Dublin 68 years old.
(Fanny HALPIN must have returned to Ireland after the death of her husband, David CRAWFORD, was lodging in Dublin when she died and was buried in Wicklow).

A burial record 4 June 1906 of Robert George HALPIN Master Mariner, 37 years of age.

An EATON COTTER born to Thomas and Charmain COTTER December 1757
A Burial record for Sep 3 1828 EATON COTTER  Esq aged 70 years 8 months.

Hope this is of interest and relevant,
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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #103 on: Sunday 14 November 10 15:05 GMT (UK) »
                                                  A marriage record of interest to Ray/Bill.

17th August 1871 Samuel Halpin 24 years old, Miller, Wicklow son of Robert W. Halpin, Post Master married Madeline Turnbull aged 23 years, Wicklow, daughter of James Turnbull, Wicklow rifles.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #104 on: Sunday 14 November 10 19:55 GMT (UK) »
This is the 2nd child and eldest known son of RWH.  Tavern, do these wide-ranging findings mean that there are no other (particularly earlier) mentions of RWH than this marriage of a son in 1871 in Wicklow parish records?

This son, Samuel Halpin, moved to Co Louth (Drogheda), recorded in the 1901/11 censuses as a mill wright and carpenter.  He and wife Madeline had known children ROBERT JAMES HALPIN 1872, Margaret Frances Halpin 1874, Maria Rose Halpin 1876, Madeline Halpin 1878, Samuel 1880 (d 1885) and Anna Christina Halpin 1882.  I know nothing further of the daughters.

Eldest son Robert James Halpin became a National Teacher and returned to Co Wicklow as a teacher in Rathdrum town in both censuses.  In 1902 he married Alice Myers (also a National Teacher) in the Thomastown reg. dist of Kilkenny.  They had three known sons (grandsons of Robert Wellington Halpin) all born in Rathdrum.  They were SAMUEL JAMES HALPIN 1905, ROBERT GEORGE HALPIN 1908, HENRY GRATTAN HALPIN, 1911.


                                                  A marriage record of interest to Ray/Bill.

17th August 1871 Samuel Halpin 24 years old, Miller, Wicklow son of Robert W. Halpin, Post Master married Madeline Turnbull aged 23 years, Wicklow, daughter of James Turnbull, Wicklow rifles.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #105 on: Monday 15 November 10 00:41 GMT (UK) »
Re the last, in censuses, Madeline states that she was born in Scotland but at her marriage 23 years later her father James Turnbull's profession is shown as being in the Wicklow Rifles.  Just an observation.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #106 on: Monday 15 November 10 00:54 GMT (UK) »
I thought I was given the marriage date of 1st April 1814, source Jim Rees' book on The Life of Captain Robert Halpin.  Perhaps I mistyped the year.

                                                Another look at Church Records 12th November 2010
James HALPIN and Ann HALBERT married in April 1815 (I notice 1814 being mentioned elsewhere?).

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #107 on: Monday 15 November 10 02:42 GMT (UK) »
We have never known the middle name of the 4th child and 3rd son of James Halpin and Ann Halbert (until now only known as Captain Thomas J Halpin), but as we now know from Tavern that Ann's father's name was James Halbert and with his father being James, it is a very strong chance that his full name was Thomas James Halpin.

The second son was George Halbert Halpin.  Any other family precedent for the name George, apart from being the King's name?  And we know of the speculation over the first son being named Eaton Cotter Halpin.

The next son was Stopford William Halpin.  I can think of some theories for the name William, apart from being both a common and royal name.  And the next son was Richard Mathews Halpin.  These names seem very deliberate and I think deserve to be kept in mind.  The advancement of such families owed as much to who they interacted with and of course who they married as much to what they achieved, and they achieved much.