Author Topic: Halpins of Wicklow - Part 3  (Read 122867 times)

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 16 October 10 17:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Raycmh,

I've had another look at the copy of the Will. The difficulty I am having is with the first letter. The ?ayle is perfectly clear. I'm not sure if the first letter is a "T" or a "H" but am leaning to the H.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 16 October 10 19:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tavern - so it's possible that one is a phonetic variation of the other, that the difference between the two is due to a scribe's interpretation of a surname he's heard rather than seen.  There's not a lot we can do with the thing at this moment, though - all we can do is file it away and keep an eye out for clarification from other sources.

     There's something else I'd like people to consider - one of the names at the bottom of James Halpin's will is "David Keely".  When I first read that name I began racking my brains trying to remember where I'd seen it before.  A day later it occurred to me out of the blue - cast your mind back to Reply 246 (Tues. 13 July 2010) on the previous thread.  There you will find an extract from Thomas Mathew Halpin's Disclosure Connected With The Late State Prosecutions In Ireland..., in which he cites testimony from his father-in-law, James Keely.  Not the David Keely named in James Halpin's will, but a Keely nonetheless.  Idiosyncratically spelled surnames that coincide in this context suggest to me that chance is not at work here, but something more significant.

     I was often told that over the years the Halpins parted ways on account of strong political differences.  There were many opportunities for differences between family members to arise - the terrible events in 1798, for instance, in which 30,000 died and a James and William Halpin, "distillers", were described by a Castle spy as being particularly virulent United Irishmen and prominent in the unsuccessful attempt to save Robert Emmet from the gallows in 1803; the Young Ireland Rising in 1848 (in which T M Halpin features above); the Fenian Rising in 1867, featuring Gen. William G Halpin, and of course the 1916 Rising, involving my own immediate family.  So, given an albeit tenuous link between surnames, it's not out of the question that the Halpin and Keely mentioned in James' will, were related to the Halpin and Keely mentioned in the "Disclosure..." - these links may suggest strong sympathies for the political vision of the Society of United Irishmen.  I've touched on this question before and I'll ask it again here - what was James Halpin, father of Captain R C Halpin, doing with himself around the time of the execution of Robert Emmet? 
     
     Something else to keep in mind, I suppose.

     Finally - does anyone know anything about James Halpin's son Thomas?  You'll note the continuing repetition of names, I hope.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 17 October 10 10:17 BST (UK) »
Captain Thomas J Halpin married Mary Ann Dillan, daughter of Thomas Buckly, on 18 April 1854 at Powerscourt Co Wicklow (he'd have been about 33) and he died 02 June 1878 at Monastery House Enniskerry.  I think the only other mention we have of him is from you, Ray, when he accompanied or was present at an official visit to Wicklow by someone I forget.  "Capt Tho J Halpin died June 2nd 1878 | aged 56 years" is inscribed at the James Halpin burial enclosure in Wicklow.

     Finally - does anyone know anything about James Halpin's son Thomas?  You'll note the continuing repetition of names, I hope.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #66 on: Sunday 17 October 10 10:43 BST (UK) »
Captain Frederick Halpin is also inscribed in the burial plot as James Halpin's nephew and the big question is, who was his father?  Was he the one who challenged a will?  And why would he be the landlord of these properties in preference to any of James's children?  I am hoping for someone to inspect records in London about Frederick's maritime apprenticeship.  He qualified as a Class 3 Master in examinations by Trinity House London on Oct 29 1849.
And who is Frances Halpin?  I have not seen James to have had a daughter Frances.  Can you tell me more please?  I am intrigued.

Around 1858 the Tenant of #7 was a Rev. John Williams and the Landlord was Frederick Halpin. In #8 was a Mary Roath and the Landlord was also Frederick Halpin.
After Frederick died the new Landlords of #7 became Frances and Louisa Halpin (daughters of James) and a new Tenant , Anne Byrne replaces Rev.Williams, and  Frances and Louisa Halpin moved into  #8.
Frances married David Crawford 16Th June 1862 and records around that time show Louisa living at #8 and  the Tenant of #7 as Brooks Priestley BILBROUGH.
Louisa married William H.H. Kennedy 25 April 1867 and records show around 1882 that #7 had a tenant by the name of Elizabeth Taylor and the Landlords Frances Crawford and Louisa Kennedy.


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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #67 on: Sunday 17 October 10 11:39 BST (UK) »
Hi BillW,

"Frances" is "Fanny" in the Will and was named Anne Frances at birth. See my comment on the Will  in Reply#40 above.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #68 on: Sunday 17 October 10 12:28 BST (UK) »
I really missed that.  So she married David Crawford 16th June 1862.  Any children?  Do we know anything about him and his family?  There is a very, very good reason for asking.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #69 on: Sunday 17 October 10 12:50 BST (UK) »
Diane, thanks, I have noted all your additions.  Who was brother-in-law J. Wright in Richmond?  Bill, re your aunt's tree, she notes more children of NJH than in my tree and in a different order.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #70 on: Sunday 17 October 10 15:04 BST (UK) »
     What follows may prove to be a very significant find, since it goes some way toward confirming the family lore – that political differences which began with the 1798 rebellion account for a split in the Halpin family between those in favour of the actions (or aspirations) of the United Irishmen and those opposed to them.
 
     At a place called “The Ponds” – situated in Rathfarnam, co. Dublin – during the 1798 rising, a party of insurgents led by David Keely, James Byrne, Edward Keogh and a chap called Ledwich, was attacked by the local yeomanry.  A number of insurgents were killed or wounded in the skirmish and Keogh and Ledwich were taken into custody.  Keely and the others retreated and joined forces with another party of insurgents from Clondalkin.  Together they regrouped at the turnpike on Rathcoole road and there gave a good account of themselves – repulsing a corps of Yeomanry that may have been led by Lord Ely.

     David Keely and "John" Byrne were witnesses to James Halpin's will. 
     
     I think these ‘links’ deserve to be considered carefully, since they seem to suggest that the James Halpin of Tavern’s will may well be one of the Halpin’s mentioned as a distilling insurgent by Dublin Castle.  I’ll run with the idea for a bit and return to the discussion when I have more to report – cheers.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow, etc., Continued
« Reply #71 on: Sunday 17 October 10 21:31 BST (UK) »
At the online site Irish Genealogy (http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html), there are a limited number of entries from the registers of ST THOMAS Church of Ireland in Dublin, which was for at least some of the time the family church of George Halpin and William Henry Halpin the elder, and perhaps others.  I am told that its records that survive are in bad condition.  There are no St Thomas burial records on view at this site, a large gap from about 1800 to about 1840 in the marriage records and a very small number of baptisms.  I have extracted the following marriages relating to names discussed here, up to nearly 1900.  All included records have been photographed and can be viewed at the site.  There were quite a few other Kennedy entries that I did not recognise.

12 May 1791   Charles SWEENY  to Susanna Grace Ould   
14 Mar 1794   Edward Mathews to Jane BROWNRIG   
03 Apr 1794   James DELANY  to Catherine Warner   
16 Jul 1793   Thomas Carry to Mary GORE      
02 Mar 1797   Vernon Lovett to Jane GORE      
30 Apr 1795   Isaac Eades  to HELLEN HALPIN   
12 Nov 1799   HUGH KENNEDY Esq  to Grace Dorothea Hughes   
14 Jan 1800   James Knox to Louisa GORE   
04 Mar 1851   Thomas Orr to ANNE HALPIN both of 26 Lr Rutland St
02 Aug 1849   Edward SWEENY to Eliza Wells   both of 26  Mabbot St
09 Nov 1866   Arthur H Reed of 15 Upper Sackville St to Eliza Jane SWENY of Heathville Monkstown
13 Jul 1859   Joseph Manning to Jane EATON both of 23 Upper Sackville St Witnesses John H Eaton and George Eaton
07 Aug 1860   Charles J Swete of Epsom Surrey to Frances SWEENY of 58 Summer Hill
04 Jun 1840    Richard Edward EATON to Louisa Lowther
19 Jun 1841   Thomas Fowler Gerrard to Amelia SWEENY both of Kilsaner Witness James Sweeny