Halpins of Wicklow - Part 3

[mkent]

thanks Maeve, nice to hear from you again.  Why Wicklow Town Council want to destroy the character and history of Wicklow is a mystery!  Best wishes to everyone for Christmas .

[J.M. Flannery]

Posted by Ian Ridley 29th December 2012
Ian Ridley added photos to Masters & Mates Certificates. Richard Matthew Halpin 1854 and Robert Charles 1850.

Maeve Flannery.  : "Great Ian, do you mind if I past this information on to the Halpin family on rootschat." 
Ian Ridley "No problem Maeve, I got them yesterday ......"
Maeve Flannery "Thanks Ian.  Happy new year to you and your family."
 Julia

[BillW]

Digging around in my records, I cannot find that I ever recorded the following here. I have noted that it comes courtesy of records at the NAI.

William Henry Halpin, Solicitor, age 64, Port of Departure, Buenos Aires, Argentina arrived Southampton 2 May 1928 aboard the 'Asturias'.  Final address:  Ford Lodge, Cavan Co; Cavan, Ireland.  Country of last permanent residence: Irish Free State. Country of intended permanent residence: Irish Free State.
William Richard Halpin, Scholar, age 15, Port of Departure, Buenos Aires, Argentina arrived Southampton 2 May 1928 aboard the 'Asturias'.  Final address:  Fort Lodge, Cavan Co; Cavan, Ireland.  Country of last permanent residence: Irish Free State. Country of intended permanent residence: Irish Free State.

Full name of the son was William Richard Crozier Halpin.  This WH Halpin was the 6th child of NJ Halpin and Rebecca Doherty.  His wife Caroline Hutton lived till 1966.  Their other child was solicitor John Ralph Halpin, by now (1928) about 29 years old.

[Bigbird68]

I have been encouraged by BillW to come out of my nest!

To reply to his last post of 31 December 2012 about travels of William Henry  Halpin: I have looked more closely at the passenger lists  and found that William Henry Halpin (63) and his son William Richard Halpin (15) were not actually travelling from Buenos Aires although the ship did start its voyage from there.

Mr W H Halpin b 1863, solicitor of Ford Lodge, Cavan, and his son William Richard Halpin (15) departed from Southampton on 30th March 1928 to Madeira, on the Union Castle Line ship SS Arundel Castle, final destination of the ship South Africa; They returned from Madeira to Southampton on 2nd May 1928 on board the SS Asturias (Royal Mail Steam Packet Co) via Lisbon and Vigo; the SS Asturias had set off from Buenos Aires on a regular Royal Mail Line voyage to and from South America, via France, Spain, Portugal and Madeira. It is possibly relevant that Easter Sunday in 1928 was on April 8th so I would imagine William senior was simply taking his son on holiday during the school holidays.

This is supported by finding William Henry Halpin (66) and William Richard Halpin (16) again, going to Marseilles on 5 April 1929 (on the P&O SS Mooltan to Sydney), again roughly coincident with Easter in 1929 on March 31st. William Henry Halpin also went to Marseilles on 11 February 1927 (unaccompanied) on the P&O SS Mooltan.

As I am sure has been reported before, William Henry Halpin died at Ford Lodge, Cavan on 17 April 1937, probate to his wife Caroline Isabella Emma Halpin (nee Hutton) and his son John Ralph Halpin, solicitor (left about £12,013). William Richard (Crosier) Halpin was born on 28 June 1912 in Dublin, was an accountant (Major RASC WW2, seconded to The Treasury 1942-44; company director post WW2), married Hilary Alicia Keighley-Bell, daughter of Lt-Col Henry Keighley-Bell of Hurlingham Court, Putney, in 1939 and had three children; died 1999 in Camden, London. His wife died in 2000.

Hope this solves the apparent connection with Buenos Aires - I think they were just on holiday in Madeira.

[Jtyner]

hi bill, Julia and anyone else in this conversation! for those of you who dont know i am related to william henry halpin's wife caroline isabella emma hutton. so hence i am also related to their children. it is very interesting to see the information you have gathered on them! is there a connection with the cavan halpins and the wicklow halpins?
John

[BillW]

i am related to william henry halpin's wife caroline isabella emma hutton. so hence i am also related to their children. it is very interesting to see the information you have gathered on them! is there a connection with the cavan halpins and the wicklow halpins?

Welcome John.  It may serve to remind everyone that this is a form of the very question Ray first asked back in March 2009 at the outset of our searches - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,270348.msg2421989.html#msg2421989 - approximately 850 posts ago in our combined series of three threads.  Despite many indications and interactions, the question remains unanswered - more work to do.
We have all done tremendous work, tested and amended or rejected many theories, and made huge progress, enjoying each other's correspondence along the way.
John, with your credentials, if you could establish contact with Caroline's currents descendants, that might prove mutually instructive.
Bill

[mkent]

 Hi John, I didn;t know you were into roootchat, as you are related to Bill and I am also related to him that must mean we are connected, amazing to discover that after all these years!  Marie

[Jtyner]

hi marie, im not sure if i am related to bill but we have been corresponding about the cavan halpins since they married into mum's hutton family. if william henry halpin is related to you or bill, then there may be something but my only connection to the halpins is from caroline hutton's marriage to william henry halpin onwards. i do have webster cousins but that is another conversation!!
John

[Shanachai]

The attachment below is a copy of a document currently held in the National Library of Ireland (GO MS 800 (5) "Halpin Pedigree...").  It formed the basis of the Halpin family tree which subsequently appeared in Burke's.  It may be of interest to the extended Halpin clan.