Oxford Street Rock Pub Manchester

[annafabulous]

Aaah thanks for the link Footo I'll look into that now.
Granata can I just confirm that your findings mean that Barbara's findings from the 1841 census are for another pub? It's all very confusing. Thank you for the photo of the map.

It makes sense that the pub was split into 8.... there are a total of 13 rooms here now in varying sizes, mostly on the large size, but the set up of the rooms is lots of rooms heading off one long corridor that runs the length. It could easily be split into eight.

Also, I've still been talking to the oldies in the pub trying to get more info straight from the horses mouth. I've been hearing lots about The Shady Lady being a brothel... I don't know whether that's just gossip because it makes a good story or not, but certainly the name, the fact that the workingclass Irish navvies lived in the area, the sign (I posted a pic in a previous post) and the set up of the rooms upstairs means it wouldn't be too far a stretch of the imagination. I wonder...?

Hope everyone is having a good bank holiday:)

[annafabulous]

Okay, the 1894 map shows 8 separate premises, right?

Other records have shown that the Bostocks were living there in this year, Peter approx 58 years old and Hannah 63. You'd assume they were living above in one of the 8 sections.

Which means maybe there were other residents in the other sections!

Also, I wonder if I can find out when the 8 sections were demolished and became 1. If you look at the picture of the property when it was the Beef and Barley....

http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=74158

....maybe the entrance you can see right at the end of the pub, on the left hand side of the photo, was the entrance to upstairs accommodation. It certainly looks as though it could be. There is also a window to the right of the door which looks different to the rest of the ones on the pub itself, and you could argue they look more residential than public house.

In this case there must have been a staircase which is no longer there now!!!

[annafabulous]

Sorry for the multiple posts today. Look what I found on the link Footo gave me!

Marriage: 2 Jan 1876 St Peter, Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Wood - full Labourer Bachelor of 80 Oxford St
Esther Hannah Bostock - full Servant Spinster of 80 Oxford St
    Groom's Father: James Wood, Deceased
    Bride's Father: John Bostock, Traveller
    Witness: John Williams; Isabella Wood
    Married by Banns by: Chas. F. Buckley
    Notes: See no. 119 in the other Register Bk. [In When Married column]
    Register: Marriages 1838 - 1906, Page 58, Entry 115
    Source: LDS Film 2113151

 
In 1876 the Hannah Bostock we already know is about 49 and already married to Peter Bostock. I wonder if this is a sister? Odd to have the same middle name.
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I've done a bit of databasing and cross referencing on stuff on Footo's link and found out the following.

William James Hall is listed as marrying Susannah Carr in St Peters in 1877.

Marriage: 1 Oct 1877 St Peter, Manchester, Lancashire, England
William James Hall - full Milkman Bachelor of 80 Oxford St
Susannah Carr - (X), full Operative Spinster
    Groom's Father: William Hall, Mechanic
    Bride's Father: Henry Carr, Spin_ter
    Witness: John Clegg; Mary Foley
    Married by Banns by: C. F. Buckley
    Register: Marriages 1838 - 1906, Page 73, Entry 145
    Source: LDS Film 2113151

I've found the following burials listed under the name of Hall in St Peters and I'm trying to find out whether any of the following people are related to William so then I can begin a family tree for the Halls, even though Hall is obviously a common name. These would have been his ancestors not descendants.

Hall Age Year     Alice Boyer 10 yrs. 1842     Betty 80 yrs. 1853     Elizabeth 64 1815     James 55 years 1820     Mary Elizabeth 44 years 1851     Mary 17 1797     Saml. 1813     Samuel 65 1813     Sarah 18 1797

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Manchester/stpeter/index.html
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Same for Mellor. Thomas Mellow married Julia Ann Wooley in 1875.

Marriage: 18 May 1875 St Peter, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Mellor - full Grocer Bachelor of 80 Oxford St
Julia Ann Woolley - full Spinster of 80 Oxford St
    Groom's Father: Thomas Mellor, Grocer
    Bride's Father: William Woolley, Deceased
    Witness: Henry Edward Elleby; Elizabeth Woolley
    Married by Licence by: C. F. Buckley
    Register: Marriages 1838 - 1906, Page 55, Entry 110
    Source: LDS Film 2113151

The following are burials listed at St Peters with the name Mellor so same deal, trying to find out if they're related or not. They're also ancestors not descendants.

Mellor     Ada 3 months 1853     Anne 67 yrs. 1841     Edith 7 months 1849     Thomas 69 years 1839

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Manchester/stpeter/index.html

Considering how big Manchester is and how common these last names are I suppose it's unlikely they'll be related.
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Also, making a database of the surnames of all the people listed as marrying at St Peters, the following came up more than once which makes me think they're related as they're listed as living at 80 Oxford Street.

The names Taylor (Emily and Rebecca), Thompson (Harry and Sarah Ann) Jones (George and Samuel). Were they related?

Sorry that my posts are long. Wasn't sure how much info I should share. What a good way of spending my Sunday!

[Footo]

Okay, the 1894 map shows 8 separate premises, right?

Also, I wonder if I can find out when the 8 sections were demolished and became 1. If you look at the picture of the property when it was the Beef and Barley....

I would think that the 8 properies would include "The Samaritans" who are next door to you.
There are 8 windows in total including next door - 1 for each dwelling?
Numbers 72- 86 look to be the row of 8...

This is taken from the Manchester 1911 Street/Trade Directory

68 Oxford St -  Dingley’s Ltd - fruiterers

St.Mary’s hospital for women and children (side entrance)

...Here is Whitworth Street West...

:Station Approach:

2 Salt Thomas & Co Ltd (Burton on Trent) brewers William O’Hamlin Agent...

4 Whitworth Benjamin, tobacconist

6 Wilkes Frank Cecil, banjo manufacturer

Manchester South Junction & Altrincham Railway Station (Wm Atkins, Station Master)

Spiers & Pond Ltd, refreshment contractors

72 & 74 Oxford St - Marshall William, cutler

76 Oxford St - Bellwood & Ellis, tailors

78 Oxford St - Jennings James, tobacconist

80 Oxford St - Lewis Mrs Annie Elizabeth, beer retailer

82 Oxford St - Otley Henry, saw maker

84 Oxford St - Hardy Joseph, hairdresser

86 Oxford St -Wilson Bannister, carver & gilder

......Here is Wakefield Street......

......Here is New Wakefield Street..........

88 Oxford St - Reuter Mrs Sarah, restaurant proprietor

90,92,&94 Oxford St - Hume William A, wig maker

92a Oxford St - Furniss James, plumber

........Here is River Medlock.......

It must be past my bed time now as I'm thinking of Joseph Hardy being a demon barber...

   

[Barbara.H]

Also, I've still been talking to the oldies in the pub trying to get more info straight from the horses mouth. I've been hearing lots about The Shady Lady being a brothel...

Eek! that wasn't why me and mates went there in the 70s/80s, whenever it was - honest!
We just went to the bar & had a drink! 

Back to Granata's last post: Granata was right & I was mistaken about James Mitchell being landlord at no.80 in 1841. He was at the other one, the Oxford Road Inn.
I have the same map that Granata has printed there, and on the back, as you say Granata, is a section of directory from around 1848 (courtesy of Chris Makepiece, the author of the history article on the back of the map). It goes
Oxford Road Inn/Atlas Hotel - Mitchell James
30 Gardner, Jos, stained glass mfr
34 Byrne, Hugh, cutler
36 Somers, Thos, cabinet maker
38 Furniss, James, ivory turner, also
Bennett, James, painter
44 Alsop, thomas, provision dealer
46 Halliwell, Jessop, shopkeeper
48 Corless, John, furniture broker, also
 Gibb, Wm, wine & spirit merchant
Oxford Rd Distillery (between the railway line and the river)

So I think those were the eight properties as they were in the late 1840s, and our no. 80 was at that time no. 48. Numbers would have changed as more buildings went up along the road.

Sorry to go backwards in time yet again, we're zipping about all over the place here.  I thought I had posted this already, but one of the ghosts must have deleted it 

  Barbara

[Footo]

There is a pdf document here of "Little Ireland" showing on the last page the same map image from 1849 - if you enlarge it you can see the bay windows for the 8 properties that make up "Grand Central."

http://www.mangeogsoc.org.uk/egm/3_1.pdf

[annafabulous]

Migky where did you find this evidence?

A little bit about one of the early landlords

Dayffd (David) Lewis and his wife Annie Elizabeth Lewis are buried together in Southern cemetery.
Church of England section. Grave number H 1830.
If you start a new post on the look ups section, asking if any one is willing to see if there is a headstone and photograph it for you, i am sure you will get some kind soul who will do anything for a freebie pint
Dafydd died  age 71
buried 20th Feb 1926

His wife Annie Elizabeth Lewis in the same grave died ages 79 and was buried on 24th March 1949.

Migky 

I'm working on a wikipedia page right now

[annafabulous]

Oh & PS Granata please can I have your permission to include the image of the map you posted on the wiki page?

[granata]

Yeah so long as you credit Alan Godfrey Maps (1849) yak yak

Or  I'll drop the map off at the pub whenever suits