RATTRAY Robert Brydon

[Jokdy]

1861 census:

37 Candlemaker Row, Edinburgh
Mary Beattie 57
Sarah Beattie 23
Robt B Rattray 23
Charles Rattray 11 Mo
Andrew Callander 64
Elizabeth Oliphant 51
James Johnston 29
1871 census:
 
37 Candlemaker Row
Robert B Rattray 33
Sarah Rattray 33
Charles Rattray 10
Mary Rattray 6
Robert Rattray 3
John Rattray 9mo
Mary Liotta 68
John Mclane 8
Jessie Campbell 39
William Campbell 13


There is also a record for a Charles Rattray age 25, in the Queensalnd, Australia Passenger Lists 1848 - 1912 listed as a passenger on the ship 'Kincardineshire'
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date: 10 Nov 1883

 

[Jokdy]

1881 census for Robert & Sarah

109 Causewayside
Robert Brydon Ratteray 43
Sarah Ratteray 43
Mary Ratteray 17
Robert Ratteray 13
John Ratteray 10
Elizabeth Ratteray 5
Helen Ratteray 2
 
1891 census

216 George St Aberdeen

Robert B Rattray 52
Sarah B Rattray 52
Mary Rattray 27
John Rattray 19
Lizzie Rattray 14
Helen Rattray 11
 
1901 - they have moved to Aberdeen!

16 Bonaccord Lane
Robert B Rattray 62
Sarah Rattray 63
Mary Rattray 37
Elizabeth Rattray 25
Helen Rattray 22
Williamina Irebster 7
 
Sarah's death entry is listed as 1903 in Aberdeen

Robert died 2 Aug 1910 at 49 St Nicholas Street, Aberdeen.  His parents are listed as William Rattray (occupation Hatter) and Elizabeth Rattray (nee Bryden).

[Jokdy]

There is a Charles Rattray listed as a visitor on the 1881 census here:

Charles Rattray age 23 Visitor b  Edinburgh
29 Campfield St Falkirk

Watchmaker

Alexander Hay 29
Margaret Hay 26
Maggie Hay 5
Catherine Hay 4
William Hay 2
Jane Hay 2 Mo
Charles Rattray 23
 

[Jokdy]

Hi,
So, to clarify to others who may help with census records.

You are following back through a:

Charles Rattray b.  17 Apr, 1860 who marries a Mary Fenwick in Queensland in 1888.  So we look for UK census records for '61, 71, and 81. 

He dies in 1946 as Charles Brydone Rattray giving his parents as Robert Brydon Rattray and Sarah Beattie.  (do you have any death info for the Robert and Sarah?  Only one Sarah Rattray other name Beattie dies in Scotland 1855 to 2006).

I want to know about Charles but also his brother Robert  (direct ancestor)
Brother Robert b 1850 is married to
(1)Augusta Mary Willsher b 1855 Botley - 2 children (and you guessed it one was a Robert Beattie b 1898 )
(2) Alice Baldwin marriage  2nd marriage confirmed Qld BDM 1906. 9 children (and one is Robert Bryden b 1920 )

"I am trying to find Robert Brydon Rattray and Sarah Beattie, Robert and Charles parents... "

Sorry I have no death records for Robert and Sarah. A brick wall for Robert.
Sarah's parent's were Robert Beattie and Mary, no other details.
Noandra

Noandra

The census entires would suggest Charles' brother Robert was born later than 1850, as Piglet suggested.  There are two birth entries listed for a Robert Beattie Rattray in St. Giles, Edinburgh - 1865 and another one 1867.  It could be that the Robert born in 1865 died and another son was born and re-named Robert Beattie Rattray, once again as Piglet has already suggested.  I don't have enough credits to look at either of the certificates to confirm the parents' names, but it looks likely the parents will be Robert and Sarah.

[Jokdy]

Could this be father to Charles & Robert - Robert Brydon Rattray on the 1851 census living with his mother Elizabeth (Brydon)?


1851 census

Robert Rattray
Age: 13  b Edinburgh

Elizabeth Rattray 48
Robert Rattray 13
William Rattray 11
 

[Jokdy]

Noandra

Further to my post re Robert's year of birth possibly not being 1850.  I also see you have suggested he was married twice - first wife being Augusta?

I have been looking into the second marriage to Alice Maud Mary Baldwin - her mother is stated as Augusta Mary Willshire.  Alice was born to William Balwdin and Augusta on 7 Feb 1884 in Queensland.  She marries a Robert Brydon Rattray on 20 Jan 1906 and dies 30 Nov 1934.

Perhaps your information that he was married to Augusta is wrong?

Edit:

Ok it would seem Augusta did marry William Baldwin, then a Robert Rattray.  But the Robert Rattray that married Alice - it can't be the same Robert or that would mean he married his step daughter???  Could it be that the Robert Rattray that married Alice was a son of Charles Rattray and Mary Fenwick?

hmmmm...this is becoming very confusing 

[Noandra]

Hi Jokdy,
Thanks so much for the census information.
The Rattray, Willsher, Baldwin part in Aust is very confusing.

Robert Rattray b 1850? had an affair with Augusta Willsher (I don't think they ever married) and had 2 children Robert Rattray 1898 (died 12mths old) and William 1896 He then married Alice Baldwin b 1884 she was 22,(stepdaughter) daughter of William Baldwin and Augusta Willsher & had 9 children.
I think that is the way it went, a few skeletons in the cupboard in this family.

[Jokdy]

Aaah!  It all makes sense now, thanks for enlightening me.  Wouldn't worry about the skeletons - I've come across a couple myself while delving into the branches of my tree 

[Noandra]

Jokdy,
Through your kind help I have established that Robert Rattray b 1838 parents were William and Elizabeth Bryden, I have looked but cannot find any more on this couple, do you mind seeing if you can?

Robert died 2 Aug 1910 at 49 St Nicholas Street, Aberdeen.  His parents are listed as William Rattray (occupation Hatter) and Elizabeth Rattray (nee Bryden).