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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 11:30 BST (UK) »
Salmynka
You are most welcome, the present day disaster in Chile brings into focus the work mine rescue teams do and the dangers they face, even with state of the art drilling equipment and camera and thermal imaging etc, these miners are not going to be rescued until Xmas, can you imagine the absolute terror of being entombed? andwhat a great thumbnail biography of Walter Clifford on the site Nickgc posted,
Just a note on the Edward medal, families of the person awarded the medal had the opportunity to replace it at a later date with the George Medal, few took the opportunity.

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 15:42 BST (UK) »
I  couldnt help myself and had to look for Walter.
In the 1881 Census he is a 18yr old "Unemployed" Coal Miner living with his Parents in Bramcote Moor, Notts
His Parents were Joseph Clifford and Hannah Walker.
Brother John was born c 1854 Bramcote.
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 07 September 10 23:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Everybody
A very interesting thread and one which does indeed include references to my relative, Walter Clifford (1862-1923).  I have more detail about him, his son Arthur and the early years of Mines Rescue on my website, which has recently relocated to www.heroes-of-mine.co.uk
I can advise that the two medals worn by Walter are the Edward Medal (Mines) 1st Class and an especially minted Gold Medal given to him and some of his colleagues. Both awards date from March 1908 and relate to the Hamstead Colliery fire in which Walter and his colleagues repeatedly attempted to rescue entombed miners from a burning mine. Again there is more detail on my site about the Hamstead Colliery incident.
I am indebted to "The-AC-project" for sharing this photo and it is my intention to include it on my website when I update shortly.
Hopefully someone may view the photo and be able to put some names to the gallant rescue team members?
As regards the date of the picture clearly, from the medals, it is post 1908 and, I am guessing here, pre 1911. Other pictures of him show a 3rd medal which was awarded by the North Staffs Colliery Owners and carried 'bars' for each rescue he was involved in. This medal, which carried his first bar from 1911, is not evident in the picture.
The fact that there is another picture on my site which appears to be almost identical (please excuse the oximoron!) is evidence that early mines rescue training teams, in a given area, all attended a central location for their training 'stint' and were therefore photographed in similar carefully orchestrated poses.

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 September 10 19:48 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Phil,

Unfortunately not gleaned any names at present, but to coin the well used phrase I know a woman who might so the search continues and I will certainly keep you informed via your site.

It is great to know you will add it to your very informative site, these men I am sure would look down with a smile on their faces.

Al
Yorkshire Families: Crawford, Pinkney, Reynolds, Knowles. Bailey.
Durham Families : Hann, Everett, Brown. 
Norfolk Families : Tuffs of Wisbeach,  Smiths Of North Creek.
Irish Families : Hann


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« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 September 10 20:25 BST (UK) »
what are they wearing on the chests?
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 September 10 21:40 BST (UK) »
what are they wearing on the chests?


at a guess breathing apparatus  :-\
ENGLAND Mitchell (London), Walker (Pirton, London & Cornwall) Fenton (Shefield) Simmonite & Rhodes (Yorkshire) Kevern (Cornwall)

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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 11 September 10 09:31 BST (UK) »

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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 11 September 10 11:02 BST (UK) »
See my earlier post on the BA

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