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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #63 on: Monday 21 March 11 00:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for such a speedy reply. :D

I looked at the Yorkshire threads, but became confused by the different Ridings.  I wasn't sure which one to post in, lol.  I chose to start here because the Dobson name occurs frequently.

Many thanks for your help.  :D

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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #64 on: Monday 21 March 11 12:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Marie: Hope the omission hasn't confused your even more. I should have been specific and pointed you to the Yorkshire West Riding Lookup board. My English connections came from the West Riding, so I usually think of that when I'm researching.

Regards,
John  :o :o :o

ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #65 on: Monday 21 March 11 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi all
Can I add that I am still hanging on in there, hoping that a positive connection might be made to my Dobsons. Jonas 1819 married to Sarah ? is my earliest. In 1881 he was a pit manager living at Keelham Hill. He died 1882 in a pit accident.

Marie, Ridings is old English for thirds. Yorkshire is divided into North, East and West Ridings. This is the West Yorkshire board that your Dobsons should be on but it seems that they were not a Thornton branch so perhaps this thread is not the right one. Like me you are looking for a connection so stick with it and good luck.

Dave
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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #66 on: Monday 21 March 11 16:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi all
Can I add that I am still hanging on in there, hoping that a positive connection might be made to my Dobsons. Jonas 1819 married to Sarah ? is my earliest. In 1881 he was a pit manager living at Keelham Hill. He died 1882 in a pit accident.

Dave


Hi Dave: Consider "Keelham" to be your lucky word today. That's where my 3x great grandfather Joseph Dobson (circa 1801) lived side by side or a few houses away from John Dobson (b. circa 1795) for almost 40 years. I remember seeing a Jonas Dobson in one census or another in Thornton, so as soon as I read Keelham in your reply, I checked my census files.

In the 1851 census I found Jonas Dobson (32 years old) married to Sarah and enumerated in Keelham with children William, Thomas, Dinah, Jane, Daniel, and on the next page, another son, Sidney and a lodger, Elizabeth Wood. On either side of Jonas Dobson a John Dobson (and family) was enumerated. One John Dobson was 55 years old; the other was 27 years old and was with wife Elizabeth and sons Jonas and Richard.

I looked at birth records for the Kipping Independent Chapel but didn't find a Jonas Dobson. But I did confirm from those records that John Dobson (age 27 in 1851) was the son of John Dobson (age 55 in 1851).

What I didn't do was look in the records for the Bethesda Wesleyan Chapel (another Nonconformist chapel in Thornton) because I didn't remember, from previous searches, finding any Dobsons christened there.

Instead I went to the IGI. That's where I found your Jonas Dobson. He is the son of John Dobson born 1795, I'm sure) and Betty Dobson. The IGI has him born 17 JAN 1819 and christened 09 MAY 1819 at Bethesda Wesleyan, in Thornton. I should have ignored not remembering Dobsons at Bethesda Chapel.

In my defense (pardon my use of The President's English, rather than the Queen's), though, I have to say that John Dobson and wife Betty had children christened at three different places near Thornton: Kipping, Bethesda, and Mount Zion Methodist New Connexion chapel in Ovenden.

In the 1861 census, Jonas Dobson is enumerated living at Sandel (should be Sandal) Hill with Sarah and children Dinah and Jane, and spilling over to the next census page are children Daniel, Sidney, Grace, Margaret, and George. The next enumerated family on this second page is John Dobson, age 67 and working as a tax collector. On the same page as Jonas Dobson is his brother John Dobson with wife Elizabeth and children Jonas, Richard, Mary Ann, William, and Emma. Next door to John (two doors from Jonas) is my 3x great grandfather Joesph Dobson.

I still have no direct evidence that John Dobson (born 1795) and son Jonas are related to my 3x great grandfather Joseph Dobson.. But if they are, then you and I would be fourth or fifth cousins.

The places noted here are in an area called Black Carr, which is in the middle and western part of the valley that runs east-west to the south of the center of Thornton. Keelham Hill should be read as Keelham Hall. Keelham Hall is on the Brighouse-Denholme Road, where it intersects Deep Lane. Sandal Hill must be in the center of Black Carr, where adjoining farms are called Upper Sandal Farm and Lower Sandal Farm.

On the U.K. National Archives site I found an entry for a Jonas Dobson leasing a coal mine in 1702 in Thornton, probably in Headley, which is in the same valley a short distance east of Black Carr. I've also seen a mention of an Isaac Dobson leasing a coal mine in Thornton in the 1690s.

Regards,
John  :o :o :o

ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts


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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #67 on: Monday 21 March 11 17:18 GMT (UK) »
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I still have no direct evidence that John Dobson (born 1795) and son Jonas are related to my 3x great grandfather Joseph Dobson.. But if they are, then you and I would be fourth or fifth cousins.

Some amazing research there John but I'm afraid it is a bit more complicated than that with my lot as I think I mentioned in an earlier posting.
Jonas and Sarah had a son Sidney 1850 - 1880 who married Hannah Wilman. After his death she married John Butterfield Sharp who was himself a widower. His previous marriage to Mary Anne Pearson produced a daughter Mary Elizabeth Sharp 1877 who married Fred Dobson son of Timothy Dobson and Alice Yeadon (they lived in Sapgate).
Another daughter of John Sharp and Mary was Mary Alice Sharp who married my great uncle Mark Greenwood Bland (1st of 3 marriages).
I wouldn't normally have looked so far into a great uncles ancestors but my 4x g gran was Elizabeth Wilman so there was a possibility of a double connection.

Best regards
Dave
Bland, Greenwood Bland, Ellis, Benn, Woodhead, Priestley, Illingworth, Lightowler, Platts, Boys, Bradley, O'Hara, Hall<br /><br />Areas -  North Bierley, Northowram, West Bowling, Horton, Shelf, Allerton, Queensbury, Haworth, Ovenden, Halifax, Luddenden, Midgley, Elland, Littleborough

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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #68 on: Monday 21 March 11 23:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Marie: Hope the omission hasn't confused your even more. I should have been specific and pointed you to the Yorkshire West Riding Lookup board. My English connections came from the West Riding, so I usually think of that when I'm researching.

Regards,
John  :o :o :o



Thanks for the heads up, John. :D  I took your advice and looked through the LDS site and found that Horsforth seems to be the most frequently recurring place name.  I asked about Thornton because previous information pointed me in that direction. 

Thanks to Dave for the information about Ridings.  I've always wondered why that name, lol! ;)

Marie :D

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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 22 March 11 23:20 GMT (UK) »
John,
It seems probable that my Timothy who lived in Sapgate is the same one as your Timothy, son of John and Elizabeth. I don't see another in the area at the right time. Small DoB discrepancy in some of the census details but again, the baptism at Ovenden 26 Feb 1837 fits because several of John's children were done 'job lot'.

Dave
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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 04 May 11 00:47 BST (UK) »
Hello Marie. Have just returned to Rootschat after moving to NZ.

The John Rit Dobson you refer to was my g-grandfather (see my post 10 Nov 10.  While he and some of his brothers were born in Hosforth (IGI ref).  Johnny boy has that pretty right. They were from Thornton and had returned there by 1822 at least as John was inducted into the army (51st Foot) then.  He had sisters Mercy and Maria and I think some more brothers born in Thornton.  A photo of a grave stone earlier in this thread appears to be Gilbert's (John's father) and 1841 Census shows him living there.
Dobson (Thornton, Bradford, Yorkshire)
Hannah (Gibraltar, Nth Ireland?)
Adams, Clayton, Day (Kent)
Dendy, Stedman (Sussex, Surrey)
Hill, Groves (Ealing, London, Sussex)
Grills (Cornwall, NSW)
Maury (France)

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Re: Street names Thornton Bradford
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 05 May 11 04:27 BST (UK) »
On a roll. Better picture of first Dobson Gravestone and detail of Prospect Mill.  All for tonight.

Jen

Hi Jen,

I am wondering if you are able to tell me the year of death for Gilbert Dobson, please?  It is obscured in the photograph. 

Thanks.  ;D
Marie