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George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« on: Sunday 15 August 10 07:16 BST (UK) »
Hi, I would be grateful if anyone could tell me the birth parents of George Henry Moss (born 1890, Walsall, Staffordshire). I'm fairly certain they are a Henry Moss and his second wife 'Rachel' but the identity of this Rachel character has eluded me at every turn.

Henry (originally from Stonesfield, Oxfordshire) and Rachel, from what I had assumed from the 1911 census, were married in 1878 in Walsall and had the following children:

Sarah (1882)
Harriet (1884) my great great grandmother
Rachel (1887)
George (1890)
Jennie (1893)

However, further research has shown that a lot of lies have been told. The only marriage for a Henry Moss I can find in the Walsall area with a Rachel is in 1887, to a Rachel Burden. This would correlate with the birth entry of a Rachel Burden in Witney, Oxfordshire (not far from Stonesfield) in 1854. However Rachel Moss (on the 1881-1911) censuses, maintains she is born in 1850.

This leads me to believe that soon after Henry Moss's first wife Sarah died in 1873 (in Sheffield, where they were briefly living), he leaves his children with his mother-in-law Jane Davis in Walsall, heads back to his old homestead of Oxfordshire, meets local girl Rachel Burden and brings her up to Walsall, under the pretence that she is 23 and not 18. A well-maintained lie that lasted 30 years.

This could also be the reason why I can not find any birth indexes for any of the children until George (who was born after this marriage), and Jennie is also absent. If anyone can perhaps locate these with software more sophisticated than I possess (that gives you the mother's full name), and also confirm the Burden connection through George, then I'd be really grateful.

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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 August 10 07:18 BST (UK) »
By the way, someone kindly did the whole ahnentafel of the family one year ago (in case the above is confusing). They still drew a blank when it came to Rachel though.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=192709.0

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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 August 10 07:52 BST (UK) »
Hi

FreeBMD Birth Index
Sarah Ann BIRDEN - Sep Qtr 1881 Walsall
Harriet BIRDEN  - Dec Qtr 1883 Walsall
Rachel BIRDEN - Sep Qtr 1886 Walsall


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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 August 10 07:56 BST (UK) »
I'd also hazard a guess that Jennie was officially "Jane" with Jennie being her pet-name in the family

BIRTH Jane  MOSS - Sep Qtr 1893 Walsall.

Have you found a death for wife1, Sarah?

A common reason for not marrying until after the births of a number of children, was that one of both of the party was not free to marry - ie: had a living spouse.

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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 August 10 08:11 BST (UK) »
Rachel, on the Census 1881 to 1901 with Henry - is saying she is born Darlaston - I assume also says so on the 1911.

Her maiden name may not be BURDEN /BIRDEN. That may have been her legal name at the time she gave birth to the first 3 children and when she married Henry.

The 1887 marriage certificate may solve the mystery as well as naming a father.

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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 August 10 17:11 BST (UK) »
I'd also hazard a guess that Jennie was officially "Jane" with Jennie being her pet-name in the family

BIRTH Jane  MOSS - Sep Qtr 1893 Walsall.

Have you found a death for wife1, Sarah?

A common reason for not marrying until after the births of a number of children, was that one of both of the party was not free to marry - ie: had a living spouse.

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AMBLY

Wow, that's even more shocking than my previous theory. I suppose Rachel Burden from Witney is unrelated. I did manage to find a death record for wife1, Sarah Moss was registered dead in Sheffield in 1873.


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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 August 10 17:28 BST (UK) »
Also, on a more sombre note. Henry appears to be repeating some of the children names from his first marriage. 'Sarah' was born first of all (1859), and 'Jane' last (1871). Both of these children had not made it past infancy.

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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 August 10 02:01 BST (UK) »
Hi

You'd be surprised how common it was - for a couple to be together as man & wife, while one or the other or both, of them had a living legal spouse! Divorce just wan't an option for the ordinary folk if a marriage broke down, or if one party deserted the other etc - too expensive and legally dificult. So, very often they could marry only after the legal spouse died. Some didn't even wait - bigamy was also more common than you'd credit.

Did Henry not also repeat the name "George" for his children?  Since he appears to have a son George born 1866 with wife Sarah, who is with he & Sarah in 1871, then with he & Rachel on the 1881. Then on 1891, he & Rachel  have the child born 1890, George Henry?

After looking at all 'Rachel's born Walsall 1848 - 1851 and pairing them to Deaths, Census & marriages for "Rachel's born Darlaston - I'd say your Rachel was born as Rachel HITCH.

In BMD there are 3 Rachel HITCH born 1848 to 1851, registered in Walsall, 2 of them when looking at Census, definitely born in Darlaston:

1) In Jun Q 1848 - and chr 25 Feb 1849 Darlaston to parents Joseph & Ann. She is on Census with them, b Darlaston  - in 1861 they are living in Willenhall (Wolverhapmton).  Married John ASTON  in Wolverhampton 1867 and is with him on 1871/1881 Census.
2) In Jun Q 1850, and died same  Qtr , same year.
3) In Jun Q 1851 - chr 2 Jan 1853, St lawrence, Darlaston - parents John HITCH & Ann

See the Christenings here (Search Labs link)
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

Your Rachel's ages in Census:
1881 - 32
1891 - 40
1901 - 51
1911 - 61

I'd  say Rachel  was about to have a birthday at the time of each  of those Census - as I believe her to be the Rachel HITCH born Jun Qtr 1851, chr 1853.

She & Henry  have a boarder in house in 1881: John HITCH age 50, widower, Coal Miner
I think this is her father - and I think his age is mis-stated in that Census; he should be about 60.
I think he died in 1890, age 69 - probably in Darlaston;  Registered Jun Qtr 1890 Walsall.

1851: Bell Street, Darlaston, Staffordshire
HO107 /  Piece: 2022 /  Folio: 243 / Page: 8
Head: John HITCH 30, Coal Miner, b Darlaston
Wife: Ann HITCH 35, b Darlaston
Dau: Mary HITCH 3, b Darlaston

1861: New Street, Darlaston, Staffordshire
RG9 /  Piece: 2009 /  Folio: 149 /  Page: 23
Head:  John HITCH 41, Coal Miner,
Wife: Anne HITCH 45,
Dau: Mary HITCH 14, Scholar,
Dau: Rachel HITCH 10, Scholar,
Son: James HITCH 4,
All Born Darlaston

1871: 21 Bull Street, Darlaston, Staffordshire
RG10 /  Piece: 2955 /  Folio: 106 /  Page: 7
Head; Elizabeth BROTHERTON 50, wid, Green Grocer, b Burton, Staffs
Boarder: John HITCH 51, widr, Coal Miner, b Darlaston
Boarder: James HITCH 14, Coal Miner, b Darlaston

1881: 21 Bull Street ,   Darlaston, Staffordshire
RG11 /  Piece: 2819 /  Folio: 92 /  Page: 32
Head: Henry MOSS 36, Puddler, b Oxford
Wife: Rachel MOSS 32, b Darlaston
Son: George MOSS 15, Pickler Iron Galvanising Works, b Wednesbury Staffs
Lodger: John HITCH 50, Wid, Coal Miner, b Wednesbury

Certificates would be needed to prove :
the 1887 marriage cert of Henry &  Rachel - would hopefuilly  show she was widow BURDEN, nee HITCH.
the 1890 death cert of John HITCH - would hopefully show he died at the same address Rachel & Henry lived at, and possibly the informant was also one of the two of them.

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AMBLY
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Re: George Henry Moss (b.1890), who's the mother? where are the siblings?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 August 10 02:39 BST (UK) »
In 1871, Rachel HITCH daughter of John & (the late) Ann appears to be  working as a Servant. Age is slightly out, but not wildly so - and often Servants ages were mis-stated by their 'employers'.

1871: The 'Leys', Darlaston
RG10 /  Piece: 2955 /  Folio: 27 /  Page: 20
Servant: Rachael HITCH 19, unm, Servant Domestic, b Darlaston
In Household of William PRICE 52, Coal Miner b Salop & his wife & chd.
This doesn't look a 'well-off' household. The 'Ley's is address to a number of working class families.
So I wouldn't be surprised if it comes to be known she was related to the PRICE family.

I also think  your Rachel  nipped off - eloped maybe - to Moxley, Staffordshire in 1873  & married a young John BURDON - each telling a fib about their ages.

Search Labs:
1873, Rachel HITCH married John BURDEN in Moxley, Staffs on 15 Dec 1873
His age is given as 21, father named Jabez BURDEN
Her age is given as 20, father named as John HITCH

I believe this same John BURDEN was in fact about 18 or 19 at the time, was born in Warwickshire but  was living in Darlaston in 1871.

1851: The Mines Houses - Foleshill, Warwickshire
HO107 /  Piece: 2066 /  Folio: 297 /  Page: 39
Head: Charlotte BURDEN 62, wid, Weaver's Filler, b Coventry Warks
Son: James BURDEN 23, unm, Bricklayers Labourer, b Coventry Warks
Son: Thomas BURDEN 21, unm, Ribbon Weaver, b Coventry Warks
Visitor: Julia GILBERT 3, b Coventry Warks
and next door
Head: Jabez BURDEN 25, unm, Coal Higgler, b Coventry Warks
Housekeeper: Theresa DALTON 20, unm, b Foleshill

MARRIAGE: Jabez John Haines BURDEN and Theresa DALTON - Jun Qtr 1852 Foleshill
Married at St Pauls Foleshill on 4 April 1852 (Search Labs)

1861: Collycroft -  Bedworth, Warwickshire
RG9 /  Piece: 2199 / Folio: 39B /  Page: 37
Head: Jabez BIRDEN  37, Coal Miner, b Coventry, Warks
Wife: Teresa BIRDEN 30, b Foleshill, Warks [nearly blind]
Son: William BIRDEN 8, b Foleshill
Son: John BIRDEN 5, b Bedworth
Dau: Teresa BIRDEN 2, b Bedworth
Dau: Charlotte BIRDEN 4 mths, b Bedworth

1871: Dale End -  Darlaston, Wednesbury, Staffs
RG10 /  Piece: 2955 /  Folio: 83 /  Page: 4
Head: Jabez BURDEN 47, Coal Miner, b Coventry, Warks
Wife: Theresa BURDEN 41, b Foldshill, Warks
Son: William BURDEN 18, unm, Coal Miner, b Foldshill, Warks
Son: John BURDEN 16, Coal Miner, b Bedworth, Warks
Dau: Charlotte BURDEN 11, b Bedworth, Warks
Son; Henry BURDEN 4, b Bedworth, Warks
Son: Thomas BURDEN 2, b Bedworth, Warks

DEATH: Jabez BIRDEN age 51, Jun Qtr 1876 Walsall

1881: 32 Blakemore Lane, Darlaston, Staffs
RG11 /  Piece: 2817 /  Folio: 100 /  Page: 11
Head: Job CORNS 62, unm, b Darlaston
Boarder: Theresa BURDEN 48, wid, b Foleshill Warks
Boarder: Henry BURDEN 14, Labourer in Ironworks, b Foleshill Warks
Boarder: Thomas BURDEN 12, Scholar, b Foleshill Warks

This is harder to prove as correct - ie: that this is your Rachel marrying 1873.  It's a shame there are no children with her  & Henry who look like they could be hers by a first marriage!

But it looks like a strong liklihood.   Can't find John BURDEN (sp var) on 1881 with a wife Rachel to fit that 1873 marriage?

Cheers
AMBLY
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