CRUSTs in Appledore, later Ruckinge(?)

[JonathanC]

I'm making (yet!) another attempt to trace my male line.  This renewed interest has been prompted by contact from a CRUST in Pennsylvania.  I would like to 'prove' a connection to him.

My male line is via Robert CRUST (born 1833, Kingsnorth), Robert CRUST (born 1792, Ruckinge) and William CRUST (born c1750, married Jane RICHARDS 1775 in Bilsington).

The Pennsylvania CRUSTs are descended from Richard CRUST (born 1790, Ruckinge) whose parents were (according to FSP) William and Mary.  I can find no record of a marriage of a William CRUST and Mary ? around that time.

Previously other board members (lisingreece in particular) have helped with a list of Ruckinge baptisms for CRUSTs between 1788 and 1800, which show some with parents William and Jane (my line) and some with parents William and Mary (presumably the Pennsylvania line).

The Appledore connection is new to me.  Searching on FSP I found reference to a William CRUST and Phoebe (various spellings) GATES who married in 1745 in Appledore.  They had (at least) 9 children, (at least) 6 of whom appear to have died young.  William and Phoebe were buried (on the same day?) in 1783 in Appledore.  Searches for CRUSTs in Appledore after 1800 show no matches, so I guess any survivors must have moved (maybe to Ruckinge?).

Sorry to have waffled on, but the essence is that I feel with a surname as rare as CRUST it should be possible to work this out.  Anyone feel like helping?

 

[casalguidi]

So starting with Richard bc1790 Ruckinge we have ...................

Parents William and Mary

Mary CREST 1781 Ruckinge
Jane 1783 (parents William and Jane)
Thomas CRIST 1786 Ruckinge
John 1788 (parents William and Ann)
Richard CRUST 1790 Ruckinge
Robert 1792 (parents William and Jane)
Mary 1794 (parents William and Jane)
Phebe CRUST 1799 Ruckinge

Is that all the children that you have?

Doesn't it look like they could all be children of the same couple with the mother being known as Mary, Jane and even Ann on separate occasions or do you have something to disprove this?  Do you have any other children born to William and Jane?

Casalguidi

[JonathanC]

Hi Casalguidi

Thanks for the list.  lisingreece previously gave me:

Mary   Crust   d/   Thomas   &   Elizabeth   30   5   1779
Mary   Crust   d/   William   &   Mary   11   3   1781
Jane   Crust   d/   William   &   Jane   21   9   1783
Thomas   Crust   s/   William   &   Mary   15   1   1786
John   Crust   s/   William   &   Ann   17   2   1788
Richard   Crust   s/   William   &   Mary   5   12   1790
Robert   Crust   s/   William   &   Jane   12   8   1792
Mary   Crust   d/   William   &   Jane   21   12   1794
Phebe   Crust   d/   William   &   Mary   31   3   1799

FSP is not quite so complete (or maybe I need to try more variations of the surname).

The dates, to me anyway, suggest that Mary and Jane (and Ann?) might be the same person, working on 1 child every 2 years.  I also doubt that there would be 2 (or 3) William CRUSTs living in Ruckinge, but who knows!  The marriage for William and Jane (RICHARDS) comes from midkentmarriages (transcribed as Corust) and FSP (transcribed as Comst or Court).

Thanks for taking an interest.  I would love to 'prove' a connection to the Pennsylvanians.

Do you know of other cases where the wife is named differently for different births?  I know that Mary Jane would be a popular name back then, but the marriage records appears to say Jane RICHARDS??

[JonathanC]

Doesn't it look like they could all be children of the same couple with the mother being known as Mary, Jane and even Ann on separate occasions or do you have something to disprove this?  Do you have any other children born to William and Jane?
Casalguidi

I have nothing to either prove or disprove your theory.  Do you have a precedent for this?

I have three children of William and Jane as you do.  I feel there should be more, as they married in 1775, unless it took them a while to work out what to do 

Even if all the children are from the same couple (ie William & Jane / Mary / (Ann)) there 'should' be some earlier than 1781??

[casalguidi]

There is Ann (William and Jane) Oare 1775 - this could be Orlestone as it has been mentioned on here before that there is some confusion with entries from that particular film - it contains entries for both Oare and Orlestone from what I recall hence the mix up.  I wonder if there should be a William in the mix somewhere?

No, I don't really have a precedent it's just that it would seem usual for a couple to have a child every couple of years back then.  There are children almost precisely where one would expect to find them but with a differently named mother thus it would just seem logical to me that they could all be the same family - if they were different families then I would expect to see some overlap of ages etc..  Of course it's finding the proof either way though!

Casalguidi

[casalguidi]

Robert CRUST of Aldington m Charlotte COBB of Aldington at Aldington by banns 4 Jan1823 - witnesses Phoebe CRUST and Charles LUKEHURST  -  would Phoebe be Robert's sister?

Have you followed all these CRUSTs born/baptised in Ruckinge through all the census to see if there are any clues there ie. a brother might be living with a sister etc.?

And through the parish registers ie. Phoebe CRUST married Thomas DRAY at Ruckinge 1824 (mid Kent marriage index) etc. etc.?

I would suggest that's the easiest next step .......... just double check everthing about all of them.

Casalguidi

[johnxyz]

Don't know whether you're aware, but transcribed Ruckinge PRs are on-line at http://www.hastingleigh.com/hast-other-parish.html

[JonathanC]

Don't know whether you're aware, but transcribed Ruckinge PRs are on-line at http://www.hastingleigh.com/hast-other-parish.html

Thanks

[JonathanC]

Robert CRUST of Aldington m Charlotte COBB of Aldington at Aldington by banns 4 Jan1823 - witnesses Phoebe CRUST and Charles LUKEHURST  -  would Phoebe be Robert's sister?

Have you followed all these CRUSTs born/baptised in Ruckinge through all the census to see if there are any clues there ie. a brother might be living with a sister etc.?

And through the parish registers ie. Phoebe CRUST married Thomas DRAY at Ruckinge 1824 (mid Kent marriage index) etc. etc.?

I would suggest that's the easiest next step .......... just double check everthing about all of them.

Casalguidi

Thanks again.

I think Phoebe is Robert's sister.  Charlotte (COBB)'s son John is baptised the same day as Robert and Charlotte are married.  Robert CRUST is direct to me, so I knew about the marriage, but had missed the baptism previously.  Charlotte was buried 20 Dec 1824 in Aldington, I don't know what became of son John.

Phebe (sic) DRAY is on the 1841 census with Thomas DRAY, (son) William (age eight) and (brother) Thomas CRUST (age 50), all in East Ashford (I haven't seen the image / transcript, only advanced search at FindMyPast).  I can find Thomas CRUST on the 1851 and 1861 census, but can't view the images as my credits at FindMyPast have expired 

I think Thomas CRUST died Q2 1869 East Ashford, age 84.

From Lis's notes, a marriage:

William Ward & Mary Crust 11 12 1813 he of Sellindge

and a baptism of their son:

Henry bap 30 Apr 1814, Ruckinge

but no luck finding them on the census.