Loach, Albert Edward *COMPLETED*

[Lucy2]

Yes, you are right, I got it wrong on the record there are two Albert Edward LOACH'S - or one - who served in the WWI - (I put WWII, sorry). I cannot sort  out if they are one and the same person.

Mmm ... I think you should be guided by all the wonderful information provided in this thread, by AMBLY.   

~  Lu

[Noandra]

I want to really thank you all for all your searching, you have been great. After going through everything I agree that Thomas married Emily Spriggs and was born in Birmingham, Warwickshire  that seems proven in many ways. I now have found lots more Loache's from Birmingham to try to fit into the picture.
A special thank you to 'AMBLY' you really have gone out of you way to help me.

[Janette]

. Question -
 If A.E. Loach the Trooper and Lt Col Loach are one and the same, why was Trooper A.E. Loach discharged with a bad back/medical condition and then able to fight in WWII.

I would imagine Lt Col  would be a far less physical job than trooper,which would enable him to serve in WW1
his file is interesting as in parts it refers to hip disease and then a back problem,there is also a letter from him saying he needs to be back in NZ before the 27th Dec 1900

[AMBLY]

Hi Noandra

You're welcome - has been very interesting one to follow. Thanks Lucy for the kind comment 

I wonder where  on earth TE & Emily  each were in 1881 - they married in the December that year. I've searched high & low to no avail.

I also can't get a handle on Emily in any Census pre 1881.   If AE was born abt 1876 he should be there somewhere too, but no joy.  If he was really born abt 1876 it makes Emily very young when she had him, if indeed she was his mother. Perhaps TE & Emily were living together in 1881 but not yet married (maybe due to her age) and perhaps they dodged the Census man!  It may be that  NZ death records will help......

If you can find out the name of the funeral director who handled Emily's funeral (from a Newspaper notice perhaps) or from the Sexton's book at the Cemetery - then a call to the Funeral Director (if they are still in business, and most of them are) to ask what information they hold for her, may prove helpful. They often have a record of the names of the deceaseds parents, children etc - and it's free. I've done this many times in NZ, and have never been turned down.

You could do the same for your Albert Edward too, as that may help cement  for you that he was indeed the one Trooper and the Lt Col. and was the son of TE and Emily, brother of George, Horace etc. It may also indicate if he really was born abt 1876 or if he was fibbing when he joined up for the South African wars.  Perhaps investing in the 1876 Birth Certificate for Albert Edward LOACH in Birmingham may be a good thing too - on the off chance Emily wasn't his mother, but rather the product of a prior marriage of Thomas (even though he is stated as a bachelor on his 1881 marriage to Emily.

Cheers
AMBLY

[Janette]

Hi Noandra,

You could put a new request on the the board asking if someone could go to Wellington Archives and ask for the WW1 file of Albert Edward be  digitised,you will then be able to access it online like his Boer War file

title years
LOACH, Albert Edward - WW1 6/1172 - Army 1914 - 1918

agency series accession box / item sep record no. part alternative no.
AABK  18805  W5544  24 /   0068838   

[Noandra]

Good news - with Riley's wonderful help, both WWI records of Albert Edward Loach are now available and they are one and the same person.
The record for Lt Col Loach shows his marriage to Jessie Eleanor Smith at Christchurch on 18-9-1901 and 6 children are listed, which match what I have.

I have sent an email to the Sexton at Hastings cemetery to try to find out more.
Beg, has been kind enough to sent through several death notices which all tie in, the funal directors did not keep records that far back.

The census records which I have received prove Thomas as Albert's father and John as grandfather. I wonder if there is any means of going back further on John & Mary Ann ?

I still need to sort out Thomas and Emily - why was Albert born 4 years before they were married and where was Emily born?
Still more question.

But lots of thanks for everyone's assistance. 

[TommyOnions]

Not sure if this is too late but I have the answer to your mystery. Col Albert Loach was my great grand father. His father, Thomas Edward Loach, was married in 1874 in Manchester, to Catherine Swasbrook and their son Albert Edward was born in 1876.

Catherine died (year unknown) and in 1881 Thomas remarried - to Emily Spriggs Jones in London. They had three other sons  George, Horace and Percy and the family emigrated to Australia about 1891 and then to New Zealand about 1894.

[Noandra]

Thank you for this information it corrects some dates which I had wrong. Albert Cyril Loach who married Violet Ellen Brassington are my sister-in-laws relatives. If you want any more information please PM me with your email address and we maybe able to exchange more details.

[n.notabilis]

This may be a bit late... But did anyone manage to gain AE Loach's Boer War Records. I am a descendent of his and curious.

Thanks.

N. notabilis.