Loach, Albert Edward *COMPLETED*

[AMBLY]

Hi Noandra

is this your AE LOACH (photo)?
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH1-Cant-t1-body-d6.html#WH1-Cant-fig-WH1-CantP012a

I would also suggest he is the same AE who served in the Boer War.

If your AE LOACH was the same Lt Col A E LOACH of the Canterbury Regiment in NZ, then he was brother of the aforementioned George, both sons of Thomas Edward LOACH and Emily Sprigg(s) JONES.  Thomas & Emily were married in London & in Australia by 1891 at least, having children. Per Australian newspapers, he was Bankrupted in 1893 and moved to NZ - where they are linked to Geraldine, Waimate and Christchurch.

PAPERS PAST
In 1898 TE 'late of Geraldine' was commencing business in the Waimate area, as a tin & brass worker - described as having had 25 years experience at Hiome & in the Colonies.
In 1895, TE was in Geraldine and the inventor of a "Success Bucket".
In 1899, an A LOACH escaped a fire in Geraldine (this may be Albert)

NLA - Australian Newspapers
Horace LOACH married in Marickville NSW in 1914, father described as youngest son of Mr & Mrs  T E LOACH of ChCh

I also found this:
SEARCH LABS
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
Thomas Edward LOACH
Born 6 Mar 1855
Chr 14 Apr 1873, St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
Parents: John LOACH & Mary Ellen

As I mentioned before, Thomas LOACH whose wife was Ellen (HOWL as found by Lucy) are still in the UK in 1891 and 1901 ( thought their son Albert is not on the 1901 with them).

Your A.E.  where does the information that he was born in Birmingham to Thomas LOACH and Ellen, come from?
What information is on his marriage and death records in NZ?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Noandra]

Thanks, that definately looks like George could be brother of Albert. I have found census records for 1881 - Thomas, Ellen, and Albert
1891 Thomas Ellen Albert Annie and Nellie
1901 Thomas Ellen Annie and Nellie.

There is a T E Loach and child on a ship ? Hamoto from Sydney to Wellington 29th Aug. 1891

If the ship details are correct - it is not the same family - as Thomas was still in UK in 1901 and there is no George.

[Noandra]

The Military records for Trooper A.E. Loach show his father as Thomas Edward. I think we have two A.E. Loach's from Christchurch one a trooper and the other a Lt Col. I quess the question is which is the one I am looking for 
There is a tree with info on ancestry but I don't know how correct it is.
NZ BDM records provided a lot of the information I have.
I am not sure where Thomas Edward was born, still looking.

[AMBLY]

Hi Noandra

I think there was just the one chap.
The best way to prove it would be documentation from Marriage or Death record of AE, the one who married Jessie.

Everything in that document you've posted up also points to Lt Col  A E LOACH, son of T E LOACH Tinsmith & Plumber of Waimate and of Papanui Road, ChCh, earlier of geraldine, previously of NSW Australia.

From numerous snippets in papers Past - It seems quite clear, AE  was first in South Africa as a Private/Trooper - returned to NZ in February 1901, married Jessie the same year, later served in WW1  where he was a Major then  rose to Rank of Lt Col (which he attained  after his predecessor was KIA).

http://shrinkalink.com/36351
"Mr T E Loach, of Papanui road Christchurch  has been officially advised tliat his jtecond son, Private Geo. Wallace Loach of the Wellington Battalion, has reported missing from August 8th. And is now 'believed to have been Killed. This is the first intimation that Private Loach's parents have received of his having been reported ac missing. Private Loach is 27 years old and is the youmger brother of Lieut. Colonel A. E Loach, of the Canterbury Battalion. For some years past he had been engaged with his younger brother m a plumbing business irt Hastings. "

And in turn again, George's parents are showing to be Thomas Edward & Emily.

Emily Spriggs LOACH is buried in  Hastings. The family obviously made the move to the North Island (perhaps to be near their son?)
View the Headstone here - Thomas Edward is buried with her.

http://www.hdc.govt.nz/cem/cemetery_home.html

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

I can't find Emily's death registration on NZ BMD - but the headstone says she died 1928 and I think at age 65.

This puts her born about 1863.

This is in keeping with the age of the bride Emily Spriggs JONES (19) who married Thomas Edward LOACH in Dec 1881 in London:

MARRIAGE: St Marks, Middleton Square, parish of Clerkenwell, Middlesex
25 Dec 1881 after Banns
Groom: Thomas Edward LOACH 25, Bachelor, Tin Plate Worker, of 35 North ----?ton Street, (Compton?);  father John LOACH, button maker
Bride: Emily Spriggs JONES 19, Spinster, of 198 S. John Street; father: John JONES (deceased)
Witness': George MASON and Sarah MARSHALL (her Mark)

Do you know what  date was the document for AE, where he was stated as age 23 years & 4 months?

Questions I see now are:
Was AE  the illigitimate child of Emily? Or of Thomas?
Was he really born ca 1876 or did he up his age to join up for the armed services?
Can Thomas and Emily each be found in the 1881 Census in England?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Cant find TE on the 1881 yet - but this looks like his large family in 1871 & 1881 (he's with them in 1871). He had a brother named Albert Edward too, by the looks:

1871:  45 Wharf Street, Birmingham St Thomas, Warwickshire
RG10 /  Piece: 3102 /  Folio: 79 / Page: 28
Head : John LOACH 40, Button Maker, b Bilston Staffs
Wife: Mary A LOACH 33, Green Grocer, b Birmingham, Warks
Son: Thomas LOACH 16, Iron Plate Worker, b Birmingham, Warks
Son: George LOACH 14, Caster, b Birmingham, Warks
Son: John LOACH 9, Scholar, b Birmingham, Warks
Son: Albert Ed'd LOACH 7, Scholar, b Birmingham, Warks
Dau: Minnie LOACH 6, Scholar, b Birmingham, Warks
Son: Walter LOACH 4, b Birmingham, Warks
Dau: Caroline LOACH 3, b Birmingham, Warks
Dau: Martha LOACH 3mths, b Birmingham, Warks

1881: 3 Back Street, St John's Place, Birmingham St Thomas, Warwickshire
 RG11 /  Piece: 2969 /  Folio: 53 /  Page: 43
Head: John LOACH 50, ----? Bone Sawyer, b Bankers Hill, Staffs (occ looks like Gory Bone Sawyer LOL, not sure of first word)
Wife: Mary A LOACH 42, Laundress, b Northfield, Warks
Son: John LOACH 19, unm, Iron Moulder
Son: Albert LOACH 17, unm, Brass Carter
Dau: Minnie LOACH 16, unm, Warehouse Girl
Son: Walter LOACH 14, Iron Nut Cracker
Dau: Caroline LOACH, 13, Scholar
Dau: Martha LOACH 10, Scholar,
Dau: Mary A LOACH 7, Scholar
Dau: Rosina LOACH 5, Scholar,
Mother-In-Law: Martha YOUNG 65, wid, Annuitant, b Souithfield, Worcestershire
Brother-in-Law: Charles YOUNG 38, unm, Groome Unemployed, b Birmingham, Warks
(ALL the LOACH children b Birmingham)

Edit: Add:
Occupation in 1881 - I think is Ivory Bone Sawyer

Tree on Acestry - lots of info, seems well done!
Says John LOACH was first married to an Ellen ELLIS with whom he had 4 children, incl Thomas. John married Mary Ann YOUNG in 1860.

Cheers
AMBLY

[Noandra]

Thanks for all your help, I am still trying to get my head around it all.
Question -
 If A.E. Loach the Trooper and Lt Col Loach are one and the same, why was Trooper A.E. Loach discharged with a bad back/medical condition and then able to fight in WWII.

Your comment on Ancestry could be right as one of the children of Albert Edward & Jessie was named Ellis Clifford, this could tie in.
Tree on Acestry - lots of info, seems well done!
Says John LOACH was first married to an Ellen ELLIS with whom he had 4 children, incl Thomas. John married Mary Ann YOUNG in 186

[Lucy2]

Question -

 If A.E. Loach the Trooper and Lt Col Loach are one and the same, why was Trooper A.E. Loach discharged with a bad back/medical condition and then able to fight in WWII.

The WWII "A.E. LOACH" would appear to be "Alfred Edward LOACH" (b. 1903 - s/o Albert Edward LOACH. )

Archives New Zealand (Christchurch) hold a file which confirms Alfred Edward was a former serviceperson.

Former Servicemen's Rehabilitation Files

LOACH - Alfred Edward - 1945

http://archway.archives.govt.nz/

~  Lu

[Noandra]

Yes, you are right, I got it wrong on the record there are two Albert Edward LOACH'S - or one - who served in the WWI - (I put WWII, sorry). I cannot sort  out if they are one and the same person.


The WWII "A.E. LOACH" would appear to be "Alfred Edward LOACH" (b. 1903 - s/o Albert Edward LOACH. )

Archives New Zealand (Christchurch) hold a file which confirms Alfred Edward was a former serviceperson.

Former Servicemen's Rehabilitation Files

LOACH - Alfred Edward - 1945