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Help on birth lookup!
« on: Friday 13 August 10 08:50 BST (UK) »
G'day all,

I have tried every angle I can think of but I am stuck ... can somebody please help crack this mystery. I need a birth look up on my Grandfather ... I have his DOB but not the exact location or his mothers maiden name or his fathers first name. We know he was a London Cockney and claimed to grow up within Bow Bells ... there is also information that his mother was Irish ... he was also Catholic.

If anybody can help me narrow it down I would be eternally grateful ...

James White b 1st November 1924, London.
Spouse = Phyllis Rose East b 1922
Married Oct 1944, Maldon Essex
Died - April 1963, Colchester Essex.

His siblings were - William, John, Charlie/Charles, Rose - he lost his parents at a very young age.

I can't do any further research on my Grandfather without knowing his Mothers first and second names or his fathers first name ... please help.



Best regards, T.


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Re: Help on birth lookup!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 13 August 10 10:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Welcome to Rootschat.  :)

A copy of your grandfather's marriage certificate should show the name and occupation of his father;  using those details you might be able to find the marriage of his parents.

FreeBMD marriage registration:


Phyllis R East   DecQ 1944   Maldon 4a   1705


Using those details a copy can be ordered online at  http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

The cost is £9.25 and usually arrive in 5-7 days.



Nanny Jan

Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Help on birth lookup!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 August 10 10:22 BST (UK) »
Hi T, welcome to RootsChat.  :D
Firstly, it would be a very good idea to remove your email address, unless you want to have gadzillion spams in your inbox.

Just noticed Nanny Jan there....
You'll get lots of friendly help here.
Leonie.
Direct matriarchal line; ENNIS-Yeatman-Cooper-Papps-Ryland-Lechford/Luxford-Bagshaw-Henriett
ENNIS-Thomas-Bonnin-Aldridge-Williams-Harding-Brown.
ENNIS-Davis/Davies-Buck-Oakley-
JONES-Roberts-Handy-Ross-Warrillow-Eagles-Cotterill-Bailey.
JONES-Walton-Grayson-Stobbs-Baldwin-Ibbotson-Scott.
JONES-Goodwin-Parker-Instant-Hubbard-Hancock-Skinner.

STILL LOOKING FOR: Elizabeth Ann Balfour ENNIS nee DAVIS. Disappeared in Adelaide, South Australia. 1881.

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Re: Help on birth lookup!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 August 10 10:30 BST (UK) »
Back again.
There are a couple of James WHITEs, London area, in the last quarter of 1924 on FreeBMD.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
One has mother's maiden name JONES, the other has LOVELOCK.

Leonie.

Direct matriarchal line; ENNIS-Yeatman-Cooper-Papps-Ryland-Lechford/Luxford-Bagshaw-Henriett
ENNIS-Thomas-Bonnin-Aldridge-Williams-Harding-Brown.
ENNIS-Davis/Davies-Buck-Oakley-
JONES-Roberts-Handy-Ross-Warrillow-Eagles-Cotterill-Bailey.
JONES-Walton-Grayson-Stobbs-Baldwin-Ibbotson-Scott.
JONES-Goodwin-Parker-Instant-Hubbard-Hancock-Skinner.

STILL LOOKING FOR: Elizabeth Ann Balfour ENNIS nee DAVIS. Disappeared in Adelaide, South Australia. 1881.

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Re: Help on birth lookup!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 August 10 10:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Leonie,

Oops.....missed the email address...  :-[ 

 Too busy hunting the marriage registration; it's a recent addition to the site and only a listing for Phyllis.



Nanny Jan
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Help on birth lookup!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 August 10 10:57 BST (UK) »

Thanks to all who have replied here ...  :)

I have seen the Lovelock and Jones names before but the problem was the births for those are in December rather than early November ... I had tried the FREEBMD before and it won't give ant results for the month of November which is quite frustrating. My next resort is to try and order his birth cert ... I am not sure if there will be any parental information on the marriage cert since he was apparently orphaned about the age of 4 and raised by his older siblings.

I was hoping somebody might have access to data that might give me a clue on his parents before I make an order on the birth cert ...any help is deeply appreciated.

Best, T

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 August 10 11:16 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tikirocker on Friday 13 August 10 10:57 BST (UK)

Thanks to all who have replied here ...  :)

I have seen the Lovelock and Jones names before but the problem was the births for those are in December rather than early November ... I had tried the FREEBMD before and it won't give ant results for the month of November which is quite frustrating. My next resort is to try and order his birth cert ... I am not sure if there will be any parental information on the marriage cert since he was apparently orphaned about the age of 4 and raised by his older siblings.


The results you are getting show that the birth was registered in the December quarter of the year (1 October-31 December) which is entirely consistent with a November birth.

Registration was required to take place within 6 weeks of the birth, so (for a 1 November birth) registration may have taken place in November or December - in either case within the December quarter.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 August 10 11:19 BST (UK) »

AVM,

Wow ... ok, I had not understood that in the past ... I thought I was getting direct hits for the exact DOB - not registration dates.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 August 10 11:23 BST (UK) »
His name at marriage, corresponding to the Phyllis EAST reference, was just James WHITE (no middle name) so the birth with mother's maiden name LOVELOCK isn't a perfect match (shows middle initial of W).  I also don't see any WHITE/LOVELOCK births corresponding to the siblings you mention.  And Wandsworth, where that James W WHITE birth was registered, is very much the wrong side of London for the Bow Bells :)

Can't see anything good in the East End, though - I think you'll need that marriage certificate.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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