Thanks to everyone for their wonderful help .. especially you Lu!! The birth cert has arrived and he is from Belfast, Ireland .. born 1850 or 1849 - (he is 38 years old at 15 March 1888.) I see that Belfast is considered either County Down or Antrim depedning on what part, so will investigate further - there is one Robert Rice that is from County Down that I have been sent info on but the DOB is not quite right - although I know there are lots of mistakes along the way so who knows!! Bye for now