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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 August 10 19:27 BST (UK) »
Additional info ;
William Ormond a Farmer of Carew married Esther George at Yerbeston 23 Nov 1813. it is quite lightly that William's brother was
Thomas Ormond a Farmer of Carew married Elizabeth Rogers at Minwear 27 Mar 1813.
It is lightly that William and Thomas where the sons of Maurice & Anne  Ormond nee' Llewhellin mrd circa 1787 at Carew in which case from my index of Burgess of Pembroke Borough I see ;
Morris Ormond a Farmer of West Williamston Carew was made burgess 13 Jan 1795 Admin Bk 5 Page 76 Minute Bk page 138
There are other Ormond's that are Farmers in the same area as the villages shown and periods above and they are ar Lawrenny, Martletwy Reynoldton.
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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #10 on: Friday 13 August 10 08:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you Trish1120 and Orielbenfro for your research and help.

I have ordered John Jordan and Anne Ormond's marriage certificate so will hopefully be able to find out more about John's family.

Re Anne Elizabeth Ormond - her father was William Ormond who married Esther George on 23-11-1813 in Yerbeston (I believe both were born in Carew, Pembroke)  She was one of 9 children.

William Ormond's parents were Maurice Ormand and Ann ? who married in 1746 in Pembroke. (possibly Anne Llewhellin as mentioned in Orielbenfro's post)

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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #11 on: Friday 13 August 10 14:20 BST (UK) »
William Ormond's parents were Maurice Ormand and Ann ? who married in 1746 in Pembroke. (possibly Anne Llewhellin as mentioned in Orielbenfro's post)
You are at least 40 years out ~ the mrge of Williams parents the mrge of Maruice Ormond and Ann Llewhellin took place at Carew in 1786.
There are no Ormond Mrges' at Pembroke St Mary 1711 to 1802 or Pembroke St Michael 1711 to 1795. Since I have transcribed all the Parish registers for Bapt, Mrge and Burial 1711 to the 1950's for both you can take that as fact.

The 1st Ormond event in the Parish Registers for Pembs St Michael is the burial of George Kenneth Ormond of Pembroke buried 08 Oct 1844 aged 14 yrs by C. Phillipps.
The 1st Ormond event in the Parish Registers for Pembs St Mary is the baptism of
Thomas Ormond to Thomas and Ann Ormond baptised 31 Dec 1762.
They had a further 3 children baptised at St Mary.
I also note at Pembroke St Mary;
Born 01 May 1785 baptised 10 Jan 1788 Thomas to Maurice and Ann Ormond
Baptised 24 Feb 1789 Martha to Maruice and Anne Ormond

It is lightly that Williams father Maurice that mrd at Carew in 1786 was infact baptised at Pembroke St Mary;
1768/69(rest of the date is lost) Morris to Thomas & Ann Ormond baptised.

The 1st Pembroke Mrge of an Ormond is at Pembroke St Mary when
02 Nov 1817 John Whitta otp a widower mrd Elizabeth Ormond otp a spinster by banns in front of William Lloyd. John signed his name and Elizabeth made her mark in the presence of William Bowen and Dan Shewen Thomas.

F.Y.I. there are no mrge entries for Pembs St Mary or St Michael 1744 to 1748 in the parish registers, however it is possible that the B.T.'s for the period survive.
The Parish Register for Bapt, Mrge, & Burial for 1711 to 1744 is called "The Parish Register of the Three Parishes" and covers Pembs St Mary, Pembs St Michael and Monkton St Nicholas, however very few entries in this register denote in which parish any event took place. I have over the years been able to link certain pages to parish but by no means all.
I have seen it stated in offical catalogues that the register 1711 to 1744 is for Pembs St Mary only, this is most emphatically not true.

Another thing to note is that during the period 1755 to 1770 there are 2 rpt 2 registers in use for Pembs St Mary ~ Mrge only(1 covers 1748 to 1770 and 1 covers 1755 to 1802), I have transcribed both but kept the transcriptions for each in separate files.
For Pembs St Michael during the period 1755 to 1768 there are 2 registers (1 covers 1744 to 1768 and 1 covers 1755 to 1795)  in use for Mrge's only in this parish, again I have transcribed both but again kept them in separate files.

Please remember that I was very very lucky and had the full parish registers in my possession for some long period of time during which I was able to study them in great detail as I transcribed them.

I further note from my transcription of the Borough Accounts 1824 to 1835 that
1825 Mr Richard Ormond paid 2s 6d at Michelmas for his rent
1826 Mr (no forename shown) Ormond paid 2s 6d at M'mas for his rent.
Oct 1829 the Borough received of Richard Ormond 3 years rent of a piece of ground in the common due Michmas 1829 the sum of 7s 6d.
I can confirm that Richard Ormond was buried on the 03 May 1850 of the Eastend aged 57 yrs by W.M.D. Berrington.
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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #12 on: Monday 16 August 10 07:34 BST (UK) »
William Ormond's parents were Maurice Ormand and Ann ?
I just wonder if Maurice was the son of Morris & Jane Ormond who mrd at Martletwy in 1766 will have a look at the registers later this morning.
Should have mentioned earlier, Mary Oriel mentioned in the 1851 census, is the dau of John & Mary Oriel of the Shipwrights Arms Pembroke Dock(location of Pub at the time is currently unknown)
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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #13 on: Monday 16 August 10 17:15 BST (UK) »
I was up at the Record Office today and looked at the Jordan and Ormond research.
Since Milford is not a parish around the time of your interest I searched the 2 main parishes that cover and used by locals from this area at the time of your interest.
I searched Steyton and Llanstadwell, and surrounding parishes for John Jordans baptism circa 1816, nil found. the earlist baptism I found was Benjamin Jordan in 1834 at Steyton.
However all is not lost I found some interesting Jordan burials that begin in 1816 at Llandstadwell and move then into Steyton upto 1834.
I also searched the Ormonds & Llewhellin's of Carew.
For the above I have related jpeg's of the entries which I think are most relevant to your research.
If you can let me have an email address by PM I can pass on the jpegs for your interest.
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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 16:44 BST (UK) »
3 emails with jpegs attached sent. Trust this confirms your research.
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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 08:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for the jpegs.  Yes the information ties in nicely with my research (the only thing I had incorrect was the marriage date for Maurice Ormond and Anne (also did not know Anne's surname was Llewhellin).

I cannot connect the Jordan birth's with my John Jordan yet but hopefully when I receive his marriage certificate I will have his fathers name and can go forward from there.

Thanks once again for all your help.

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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 09:58 BST (UK) »

Oops, have I made an error !! I only sent you burials the 1st Jordan baptism in the area is Benjamin in 1834.
I just wondered if the burials where of John's parents/relations.
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Re: John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 15 November 11 20:35 GMT (UK) »
I note your postings about John JORDAN.  Did you obtain details of his father from his marriage certificate?  I believe him to be a collateral of mine, the son of Richard JORDAN and Margaret SCURLOCK.

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