Henry Elliott SMITH x 2, Father and Son

[canberraterry]

Greetings from Australia,

I am a novice trying to trace my ancestors in Ireland. I have had some success with those from Northern Ireland, but I have become stuck with these two, my great grandfather and great great grandfather.

Both share the same name, and both were accountants at Guinness Mahon Bank in Dublin.

The elder died in Dublin in 1847 of typhus when the younger was only 5, and all that we know of him apart from his prime employment at the bank is that he taught at his church's Bible school.

The younger was born in Dublin about 1842, and died on 1 December 1895 of complications following what must have been a very early colostomy operation. He married an Isabella Brabazon (1839-1923) (sometimes spelled Brabason) and they had 6 children, of whom John Wesley SMITH (Born Bray, Co Wicklow 9 September 1878, died Adelaide South Australia 6 February 1961) was my grandfather. Lady Lilly Anderson CBE of Derry was another of the children.

I am wondering if any other chatters have any knowledge of this family?

[shanew147]

dont know if it's a coincidence but there's a marriage of a Henry Elliot Smith to an Isabella in Dublin (CofI parish of St. Peter) in 1867 - but her surname is Browne ?

see: link  (www.irishgenealogy.ie)



Shane

[aghadowey]

Children of Henry Elliott Smith and Isabella Anne Browne listed in IGI (www.familysearch.org)-
1. William Henry born 8 Feb.1868 Co.Dublin (Dublin North page 608 in civil register)
2. Emily Jane born 10 Apr.1870 Dublin, Co. Dublin
3. Isabella Anne born 7 Mar.1872 Dublin, Co. Dublin (Dublin North page 662 in civil register)
4. Lydia Elizabeth born 31 Aug.1874 Dublin, Co.Dublin (Dublin North)
5. Florence Henrietta born 11 Sept.1876 Ireland

Marriage 25 Mar.1867- Henry's father William

details from LDS Pilot site added in red
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home   

[shanew147]

as is the birth of John Wesley Smith to the other Henry & Isabella (in the extracted birth collection) :

 Name: John Wesley Smith
 Birth Date: 09 Sep 1878
 Birthplace: Ireland
 Father's Name: Henry E. Smith
 Mother's Name: Isabella Anne Smith Brabason
 Reference Number: v 2-2 p 893

Matching record on the Civil Index in Rathdown Reg. Distrct - which would fit with Bray.



Shane

[shanew147]

not sure if there a connection but the mention of Bray reminds me....

Brabazon was the family surname of Lord Meath, of Kilruddery House, which is just south of Bray Town.


Shane

[ambyrne1]

A little bit weird here,

It states Henry's father was William Smith and Henry was a locksmith (not accountant) in St Peters .

There is also a baptismal record for a Henry Elliott Smith bap 26/12/1841 in Dublin to William Smith same parish St Peters.

There is also a burial for William Smith in 1847 aged 25... Is the father William or Henry?

[shanew147]

A little bit weird here,

It states Henry's father was William Smith and Henry was a locksmith (not accountant) in St Peters .

There is also a baptismal record for a Henry Elliott Smith bap 26/12/1841 in Dublin to William Smith same parish St Peters.

There is also a burial for William Smith in 1847 aged 25... Is the father William or Henry?

My original thought was that there were two separate Henry Elliot Smith married to two separate Isabellas, even though that seemed like a remote possibility.. but those details ambyrne1 found (father dying when son aged about 5 etc) all seem to match up with the original post!



Shane

[canberraterry]

Thank you all very much for your responses so far. They are very greatly appreciated.

According to family lore (which we all know is not authoritative), the father was definitely Henry Elliott Smith, and his son, also Henry Elliott, definitely married Isabella Brabazon. We have proof of this much at least. (She was a member of the extended family of the Earl of Meath). The marriage date of 1867 is in the right range for Henry Elliott (junior), as the first child was born in 1868, but the wife's name was definitely not Browne. The children listed for Henry and Isabella Browne share some similarities, but are not correct for my Henry Elliott (junior) and Isabella Anne, which were William 1868, Ida 1870, Florence 1872, Lily 1876 and John 1878. There is ample documentary evidence (captioned photos, correspondence etc) to confirm the name, so that family is definitely not my family.

The baptismal date of 26 December 1841 for Henry Elliott (junior) could be right (we thought about 1842), but again we have the problem of the father's name. The burial date of 1847 would be correct for our Henry's (junior) father, but the name and occupation appear incorrect. While I cannot definitely rule out the father being William, I do not believe that the occupation could possibly be correct.

I started this search thinking that Henry Elliott Smith must be an uncommon name, but apparently I was wrong! Anyway, thank you all again for your input so far, but I believe that the people found so far are from a different family.
Terry

[aghadowey]

Maybe I'm missing something here but the way to sort out your family would be to get the marriage certificate for Henry Elliott Smith and Isabella Brabazon- would list father's name, marital status, etc.
You seem to have more details than were originally posted such as the names of children and years of birth- do you have their birth certificates or other documents?