Author Topic: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)  (Read 52637 times)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #234 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 22:32 BST (UK) »
Found this while googling Winifred Myers.

http://www.richardfordmanuscripts.co.uk/catalogue/5753

Yeah I came across that myself previously.  I'm guessing "Myers & Co" was an earlier incarnation of the family business; actually some of the older Myers & Co catalogues have been digitised:

http://www.archive.org/stream/illustratedcatal00myerrich#page/n5/mode/2up

It's worth taking a quick look, as they seem very elaborate publications in their own right with full-page illustrations of some of the books in question.  But then I guess it makes sense that a book trader trading in old manuscripts would want to make their own catalogues as elaborate as possible as a matter of pride.

It would be nice to look through the complete set of catalogues to see what could be found in them.  I'm guessing that they produced one each year.  Maybe the 1974 one had Nat's diary listed, and that's how Westminster found out about it.  Who knows what could have been listed in earlier editions...

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #235 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 22:38 BST (UK) »
maybe Nathaniel was talking about seeing the hairs on her coat!
great minds think alike. I made the same joke a day or so after the post and it floated like a lead balloon. :)
I spotted your joke and I sniggered at it.  I just didn't say so at the time :D

Im beginning to feel guilty now :)    -   personally I prefer my poem.  ;)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #236 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 00:38 BST (UK) »

The other night
I saw your light
what an awful fright
please put it right
I cannot stand its awful sight
to me it looks a piece of
bad architecture


Very creative Steve! But don't give up the day job.  ;D

The last line is my personal favourite.  ;)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #237 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 03:01 BST (UK) »
BTW I like Steve's usage of plates  :o

The British Library has holdings for the catalogue with author = MYERS, Winifred A., AUTOGRAPHS LTD. Record indicates from 1965- , may not be complete.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09nu/

Nice to leaf through that digitized one Drykid.

Winifred A. Myers (Autographs) Ltd. registered at Companies House on Nov 26, 1957. Registration no. 00594309
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09nv/
Dorman, Waite, Moore, Clark/Clarke, Neil, Rennie/Rainey, Brown, Mclean, Day, Millar/Miller, Gunion/Gunzion, Thomson, Black, Milvain, McCubbin, Steadman, Kirby


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #238 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 07:11 BST (UK) »
The British Library has holdings for the catalogue with author = MYERS, Winifred A., AUTOGRAPHS LTD. Record indicates from 1965- , may not be complete.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09nu/

Interesting.... I was at the British Library last week for an exhibition - I wish I'd known then.  Might pop back now and see if I can get a look at those; 1965 onwards would be the period of most interest anyway.

No new diary entries till Saturday *sigh*

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #239 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 09:18 BST (UK) »
With nothing going on in the diary I've had a bit of a roundup of all the (obvious) possible Nathaniel Whites:

Free BMD Deaths From 1837-1885:

Nathaniel White March 1846 West London
,,           ,,  Dec 1850 St George's Hanover Square  (in burial records)
,,           ,,  Jan 1855 Greenwich (burial records aged 5)
,,           ,,   Dec 1862 Marylebone (in burial records)


Ancestry London Parish Burials:

Nathaniel White of Sutton buried St Nicholas Sutton 20 June 1833 aged 28
Nathaniel White of New street buried 6 Aug 1834 St John Horsleydown Tooley Street Bermondsey aged 52
Nathaniel White of 50 Brook Street St George Hanover Square buried All Souls Kensington 17 Nov 1850 aged 53
(Nathaniel White buried Woolwich 1855 aged 5)
Nathaniel White buried 4 Dec 1862 St Marylebone aged 77

Ancestry London Marriages 1813-1857:
Nathaniel White bach and Sarah Bull widow both otp married St Sepulchre 11 Aug 1813
Nathaniel White and Mary Ann Johnson both otp and single married St Dunstan Stepney 10 July 1814
Nathaniel White of St Marys and Elizabeth warren of Kensington married St Mary Bryanston Square 26 June 1844

1841 Census
Nathaniel White aged 35 (b.c.1806) labourer living Lambeth
Nathaniel White aged 50 chairmaker (not born London) Quebec Street Marylebone
Nathaniel White aged 40 servant Church Street St John Hackney (with Elizabeth warren -married 1844)
Nathaniel White aged 30 High Street Tottenham

Nathaniel White the chairmaker still looks the most obvious candidate to be Nat's father. Why didn't they marry? He was unmarried and Mary gave her son his Christian name ?   ?   ?

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #240 on: Saturday 04 September 10 03:32 BST (UK) »
Great summary Carole.

I agree that the chairmaker still looks the most likely. I traced him through the censuses (can't remember where that is ...  :-\) and he remained a bachelor. He doesn't seem to have been a pauper though. Unless he was ill and had a period of unemployment hence being in the workhouse when Nathaniel was born.

Why didn't he and Mary marry?  :-\ Could be a million reasons but in those days less so - yes, you would have thought that they would have married ...

Today's entry is very interesting and of historical significance. Not surprisingly, Nathaniel is not a happy lad about the demolition of this bridge.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #241 on: Saturday 04 September 10 12:06 BST (UK) »
Westminster Bridge was subsiding badly by 1846.   In fact there had been problems with subsidence when it was being built.   The new bridge was not finished until 1862.    That one is the current one and has recently been refurbished.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #242 on: Sunday 05 September 10 11:41 BST (UK) »
Westminster Bridge was subsiding badly by 1846.   In fact there had been problems with subsidence when it was being built.   The new bridge was not finished until 1862.    That one is the current one and has recently been refurbished.

Thanks for the insight Mongibello.  :)

I notice in today's entry, once again, Nathaniel comments about the gas lamps. I would love to read his later diaries (if he kept them) to see how he felt about all the new 'inventions' that he sees before his death.

I wish you could see us now Nathaniel.  :-\