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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #117 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 23:44 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone


Margaret Patten/Pat*n's portrait , that I posted,  supposedly hung in the almshouse. It was drawn/painted by I Cooper , mezzotint,  1737-1739.

Do you think she looks 137 years old? I think she looks quite good ...for that age ...  ;D

deb

PS I wonder if Ethel Elizabeth Waterson nee Bryceson, granddaughter of Nathaniel snr had any children ...If they married 1913 ...some relatives may still be alive!

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #118 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 04:36 BST (UK) »
Steven,
I'm very sorry to hear the sad news about your Nan.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #119 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 05:04 BST (UK) »
I had a look at the book today as it is some years since I had seen it.    It has been severely damaged by damp at some stage and the pages have been mounted on card to save further deterioration.   It starts with some accounts from 1816 on the first five pages.    Then pages six to 43 were blank when NB bought it and the bulk of the diary is on these.   Pages 44 onwards have further accounts from 1797.    There was some room on pages 44 & 45 and NB wrote entries on these.  Clearly NB bought it second hand as it dates to before his birth!    As you can see from the picture of Steven it is in large format, somewhat bigger than A4.    A book like this would have been quite expensive new as paper was still largely hand made I believe. 

Thank you for explaining this Mongibello.

I'm sure you must be correct about the fact that Nathaniel purchased this second hand - or do you think it may have been something that he found at work and decided to use as a diary? As it contains accounts might it have been work related?

You would think, given the choice, that he would have bought something smaller and more discrete.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #120 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 05:08 BST (UK) »
Great picture of Sir Charles Deb.  ;D

I just love the men's clothes from this era.  ;)

I searched last night for that other drawing of Margaret Patten but couldn't locate it. Never mind. I did not search for variations of her surname on Scotland's People. As we really have no idea when her true date of birth was, I can't see how we'll ever find her .... still, it's fun trying.  ;D


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #121 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 05:14 BST (UK) »
Looks like there are no records for Lochwinnoch in the right time frame.  :-\

From Genuki:

Records in the old parish registers (OPRs) for Lochwinnoch parish span the following years:
Births or Baptisms ~ 1718-1854
Marriages or Banns ~ 1718-1854
Deaths or Burials ~ no records

So ... a dead end it seems .... :-\ That's a shame as I would love to know how old she really was.  ;D

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« Reply #122 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 06:41 BST (UK) »
My condolences also to Steven on his sad loss  :(

Third replying to Drykid, I had a look at the book today as it is some years since I had seen it.    It has been severely damaged by damp at some stage and the pages have been mounted on card to save further deterioration.   It starts with some accounts from 1816 on the first five pages.    Then pages six to 43 were blank when NB bought it and the bulk of the diary is on these.   Pages 44 onwards have further accounts from 1797.    There was some room on pages 44 & 45 and NB wrote entries on these.  Clearly NB bought it second hand as it dates to before his birth!    As you can see from the picture of Steven it is in large format, somewhat bigger than A4.    A book like this would have been quite expensive new as paper was still largely hand made I believe.

OK thanks for that; it confirms pretty much everything I suspected; it also confirms why the diary ends early on Dec 12th, since he clearly filled all available space and needed to start the next volume early.  I  wonder if he added the remaining entries to his 1847 diary or just stopped journaling altogether until the start of the next year.

I'm also curious at what point the water damage occurred; whether it was before the 1846 one got separated from the others or not. Although I guess I'd just be grateful for the missing ones to turn up, water damage or not.  It does offer a potential explanation for the non-survival of the others though; if they were all exposed to substantial flooding at some point then it's possible that only this one was considered to be in a state worthy of keeping afterwards (maybe because of its binding), and the others were binned.  Though I hope I'm wrong.

A bit of light reading for later on then ...  ;)

Hah well I may have read on a bit, purely out of curiosity you understand.  I did learn a new word from the same story: the verb "to gamahuche", which I couldn't possibly elaborate on here. Suffice to say that if Nat ever uses it re: Ann Fox, then it means things have moved on considerably between them...


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #123 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 08:06 BST (UK) »
Was there water damage on the pages written by Nat? ie was it damaged before or after he bought it?

I'm still pretty miffed that it ends on 12 December, a day before my main suspect for Mrs S, Mary Shillinglaw was buried at St Mary Islington. I'm just hoping if it was her news of her death reached Nat before he stopped writing.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #124 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 09:29 BST (UK) »


That would pretty much blow Aug 9th out of the water!

Its easily found on dictionary.com

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #125 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 18:50 BST (UK) »
Its easily found on dictionary.com

Gamahuche? Yeah it's probably not that obscure at all, I guess.  Maybe I've just led a sheltered life...

Changing the subject completely, it seems sadly that Winifred A. Myers - the bookseller who sold the 1846 diary on to the Westminster Archive - is no longer around.  I don't know exactly how long ago she died, but I did find a record of a college that has some manuscripts in its archive that were bequeathed by her.

Still possible that a relative might have inherited papers relating to where she got the book from; but it would be a massive liberty to ask them even if you could trace such a person in the first place.