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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #90 on: Monday 16 August 10 23:50 BST (UK) »
Margaret would have been a huge star so and you can imagine that people must have made money off the back of her, so any rumours about her not being the age she claimed to be, would be quashed. The media of the day may have kept up the pretense?
You may well be right about that. One of the Google books linked to earlier by Shaun mentioned that the Workhouse Keeper wouldn't have made any more money if he'd exhibited poor Margaret in a freakshow. So he at least was going to keep up the pretence, and the story probably sold a few papers as well.

Interesting that you couldn't find her baptism. Did you look under her maiden name? Sorry, I know that's basic, I don't mean to insult your genealogical abilities, but I only found out she had one from reading one of Shaun's links. Unfortunately I've already forgotten it...

Hi Aniseed. Yes first I tried Patten but then when I read that her maiden name was Gibson I tried that too. As I said, I only had a quick look though. Her place of birth varies too - some say Paisley, some Glasgow.  :-\

I'll have a more careful look later if I have time. (I have a bit of a busy day today)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #91 on: Monday 16 August 10 23:58 BST (UK) »
I thought that the building at the end (the one on which the 'Richmond Buildings' street name is attached) looked like it might be a survivor too - it looks a bit run down. The bricks are probably London Stock Bricks and, like the modernised building, would be the same golden colour under all that pollution.

Yeah, I didn't take a pic of the end building as it's Dean St rather than Richmond Buildings (even if it has the "Richmond Buildings" street sign attached), and is on Google Street View anyway.  But I do agree that it probably dates back as far as Nat's time.  As for no. 12 it's obviously had a lot of work done to it, but like you say the features are consistent with an old style townhouse rather than some modern attempt at creating a vintage-style building (and the latter would be a complete waste of effort anyway, given the eyesore that's sitting next to it.)

I really enjoyed Steven's perfectly-executed Nat-style diary entry too :)  And glad that he finally visited the grave.


As for "cabinets"; I concluded that the meaning was as per the Shakespearian-era doc already quoted from. I did find an "erotic novel" from the 1880s called "The Pearl" that referred to umm "her cabinet of love" in basically the same context.   I couldn't possibly quote the complete sentence here though  :-[ But I mention it as evidence that the usage was still around in the late 19th century, so it's completely plausible that Nat would be familiar with it.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #92 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 01:53 BST (UK) »
.... I did find an "erotic novel" from the 1880s called "The Pearl" that referred to umm "her cabinet of love" in basically the same context.   I couldn't possibly quote the complete sentence here though  :-[ But I mention it as evidence that the usage was still around in the late 19th century, so it's completely plausible that Nat would be familiar with it.

A bit of light reading for later on then ...  ;)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #93 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 01:55 BST (UK) »
From FreeBMD:

Deaths Sep 1846 
 
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #94 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 02:31 BST (UK) »
Hi

Catching up again .... i did see a reference to Margaret patten as Margaret Batten ... I can't remember where I was googling  8)


I also saw that some people were recorded as living til almost 200 years old ...  ;D what the heck were they eating in those days ?

Hi Steven ...love your diary entry ... I have several ...I do hope mine are not open for discussion 150 years from now. LOL

I also have 2 cousins from Devon who spent a year each in London in the early 1820's ....Their diaries are fascinating .... they were also friends of the famous Micheal Faraday... I helped my cousin with the findings of pictures of 1820 and 1821 ...just absolutely FAB stuff.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #95 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 03:04 BST (UK) »
For Steven ...please send regards to your mum .... I do hope she is logging in to update herself on NB's shenanigans (sp??) ......


Hi Steven's Mum  :)

Regards

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #96 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 08:19 BST (UK) »
1960s architects and town planners left us such a rich legacy of wonderful buildings didn't they? Always so sympathetic to the locality.

(Please note I'm being VERY sarcastic here!)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #97 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 11:14 BST (UK) »
About today's entry: I'm very impressed by how quickly the news travelled. The death was at 5.30pm in Maidstone (unless he was staying in Berkeley Square, but it says Maidstone quite firmly) and by the time Nat wrote his diary he knew. Did he know the lawyer personally (I doubt that) or was it in the late edition of a newspaper? Maybe that was the case.

I'm intrigued with how Margaret Patten was able to claim to be something between 137 and 143 years old (it varies between reports) without anyone challenging this. Thanks for looking for the baptism, Ruskie, and it might be an idea to check for Batten as Deb mentioned. But if that's the case what's the proof that it's the same Margaret Patten/Batten??? Perhaps people were more trusting in those days, and more willing to believe stories of marvels.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #98 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 11:20 BST (UK) »

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About today's entry: I'm very impressed by how quickly the news travelled. The death was at 5.30pm in Maidstone (unless he was staying in Berkeley Square, but it says Maidstone quite firmly) and by the time Nat wrote his diary he knew. Did he know the lawyer personally (I doubt that) or was it in the late edition of a newspaper? Maybe that was the case


He may have written the diary entry several days later
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