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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #63 on: Sunday 15 August 10 09:16 BST (UK) »
It's amazing to me - if I'm reading it right - that it could go from crime to trial in two days back then; for something as serious as murder there would be months of building a case these days.

The testimony of the 12-yr old is particularly disturbing. (Although given that people would see a public execution as a family day out in NB's day, I guess it's probably dangerous trying to project modern attitudes to violence onto a situation like this.)

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« Reply #64 on: Sunday 15 August 10 10:28 BST (UK) »
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John Vincent Smith's murder of Susan Tolleday doesn't seem to have made great news

It certainly did make news. There was a widespread outcry against the death sentence. petitions were got up, etc and eventually the death sentence was commuted.

Try searching the newspaper databases for Susan Tolliday, Susan Tolloday, and John Smith W12 guildhall between August 15 and September 30 1846.
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 15 August 10 10:44 BST (UK) »
I think I was being lazy - I should have said it didn't make Googling news  ;D

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #66 on: Monday 16 August 10 05:13 BST (UK) »
I've been tied up all day and just caught up with today's entry.  :o
Interesting italics again today!!!  ;D

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #67 on: Monday 16 August 10 05:30 BST (UK) »
We were wondering about this a few days ago:
"took down some more inscriptions in scrapbook"

I had a quick look but was unable to find either Emery Hill or Margaret Patten. I do have my doubts about her age at death.  ;)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #68 on: Monday 16 August 10 07:10 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Ruskie on Monday 16 August 10 05:13 BST (UK)
Interesting italics again today!!!  ;D

I'm still pondering it; don't want to suggest anything in case I'm embarassingly way off the mark. I'd rather hear other people's theories :P

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I had a quick look but was unable to find either Emery Hill or Margaret Patten. I do have my doubts about her age at death.  ;)

Yeah, it's obviously unreliable - it would break all known records if it were accurate.  I guess back then they didn't do as much checking.  Would be interesting to see if it tallies with the birth certificate if it can be located (in which case both are wrong.)

Christ Church, Westminster was destroyed during the war and subsequently demolished, which is a shame as it looks quite imposing from the drawing on the web page.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #69 on: Monday 16 August 10 08:13 BST (UK) »
Mr Emery Hill's charity is still helping to house 60 people in Almshouses today http://www.westminsteralmshouses.com/history.htm Wonderful things almshouses - so many have incredibly long histories.

'How old are you dear?'
'I'm a hundred and thirty five you know!!!'

So next year when Ms Patten dies  136 gets chiseled  onto the gravestone .....

The OED was unable to supply me with any definition of the word cabinet as used in this context by Nat. I think we might have just learnt another Victorian slang word  :o

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #70 on: Monday 16 August 10 08:33 BST (UK) »
Notes and Queries on Margaret Patten:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/09hi/
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #71 on: Monday 16 August 10 08:46 BST (UK) »
Quote from: ShaunJ on Monday 16 August 10 08:33 BST (UK)
Notes and Queries on Margaret Patten:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/09hi/

Oh well, I believe it all now  ;)  ;D

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