Author Topic: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)  (Read 52604 times)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #225 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 00:14 BST (UK) »
I wonder if he signed it "Disgusted of Richmond Buildings"?  ;D

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #226 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 11:47 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone :)

Found Mr Walker, in 1841.

Dean Street
William Walker, 65, HOTEL, NOT born in county
Sarah Newcomb, 55, NBIC
Elizabeth ditto, 60, NBIC
George ditto, 20 NBIC

We even know how he dressed thanks to Nat :)

The proprietor thereof is very old both in years and fashion, wearing at all times a black suit with breeches and black stockings,

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #227 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 12:12 BST (UK) »
I just did some looking for what became of Walker's Hotel; as far as I can see the original building is still there at 33 Dean Street, it can be seen on Google Maps by clicking here. (Note that what was Queen Street in Nat's time is now Bateman Street.) Seems it's an Italian restaurant now, and no sign of the controversial square lamp that so outraged Nat, sadly.

There's a blue plaque on the building saying that the health campaigner Joseph Rogers (1821 - 1889) lived there at some point.  Presumably this was after it ceased to be a hotel.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #228 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 12:26 BST (UK) »
I made the same joke a day or so after the post and it floated like a lead balloon. :)

I thought it was very funny, I guess I should have posted to say so. (I thought I had, but evidently not...sorry!)

What a shame about them tearing down the old Westminster bridge (if they did...) it sounds amazing with canopy towers and seats in them. It sounds a bit as if the Victorian planners were very similar to those in the 1960s...out with the old and in with the (vastly inferior) new. What a shame...I'm with Nat on this.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #229 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 12:40 BST (UK) »
What a shame about them tearing down the old Westminster bridge (if they did...) it sounds amazing with canopy towers and seats in them. It sounds a bit as if the Victorian planners were very similar to those in the 1960s...out with the old and in with the (vastly inferior) new. What a shame...I'm with Nat on this.

I agree up to a point about that, but it's worth looking into the specifics in this case (it so happens I already looked into it this morning when I read Nat's entry):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Bridge

Apparently the bridge from Nat's time had subsidence problems; it's quite possible that back then the only solution was to start again from scratch (nowadays no doubt there are other possibilities.)  Sure they could have rebuilt it exactly as it was before, but then there would've been risk of the same thing happening again.

More to the point, the bridge they replaced it with is apparently now the oldest bridge in London still surviving, and isn't aesthetically displeasing.  So it probably shows that what can be a symbol of brutal modernisation becomes history itself if it survives long enough.

Oh and I enjoyed the"coat" joke first time around too! I may have only read it on catching up though, which is why I didn't post.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #230 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 12:48 BST (UK) »
I don't think it's the latter; there's plenty of evidence online that Winifred Myers was donating or selling manuscripts to collections well into the 1980s (though I'm fairly sure she's passed away since then.) In fact she subsequently sold some ancient wills to Westminster themselves in 1981 (i.e. seven years after she sold the diary to them):

Just for the record: Miss Winifred Alice MYERS died in Westminster on 19 Feb 1985, and her obituary (as "the doyenne of autograph dealers") appeared in The Times of 26 Feb 1985. The company through which she traded, Winifred A. Myers (Autographs) Ltd, seems to have continued trading, or at least donating items, for some time thereafter (the Wellcome Foundation lists accessions from it dated as late as 1992) but has since been dissolved.
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #231 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 13:46 BST (UK) »
Just for the record: Miss Winifred Alice MYERS died in Westminster on 19 Feb 1985, and her obituary (as "the doyenne of autograph dealers") appeared in The Times of 26 Feb 1985. The company through which she traded, Winifred A. Myers (Autographs) Ltd, seems to have continued trading, or at least donating items, for some time thereafter (the Wellcome Foundation lists accessions from it dated as late as 1992) but has since been dissolved.

Ahh cool; thanks for filling in another piece of the puzzle. Sad to have it confirmed she died; without her efforts we might not have Nat's 1846 diary today, or any number of other important documents that are in various collectons around the country. 

It's interesting that there was some continued trading by her company after her death; it suggests that it passed into someone else's hands (a relative?) for at least a while before they (presumably) gave up.  So maybe any paperwork associated with the business did too.  Since she was a trader, I'm sure she would've filed away paperwork for all her acquisitions, including NB's diary.  Of course it's a really long shot that the paperwork would still be around, although not impossible.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #232 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
Found this while googling Winifred Myers.

http://www.richardfordmanuscripts.co.uk/catalogue/5753

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 6)
« Reply #233 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 17:54 BST (UK) »
maybe Nathaniel was talking about seeing the hairs on her coat!

great minds think alike. I made the same joke a day or so after the post and it floated like a lead balloon. :)


I spotted your joke and I sniggered at it.  I just didn't say so at the time :D
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