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Re: Railway records
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 07:12 BST (UK) »
You are spot on. The census shows that he is living at the Railway Gate House in Bulcote.
Thanks for the very interesting information.

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Re: Railway records
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 09:56 BST (UK) »

Hi Matt, this site has a picture of the crossing at Bulcote. Just enter Bulcote Village and the crossing pictures are on the second set of photos.

http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/

One picture shows a ground frame, so it looks like there was a sidings at Bulcote, thus adding to the crossing Keepers job.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 13:00 BST (UK) »
Fantastic! Spent an enjoyable time searching through the photos. Its great to have a photo of where your ancestors lived.
The school photos, football and cricket teams of Burton Joyce are also very interesting - there must be some relatives in there somewhere. I will ask my mum if she recognises anyone!

Thanks again,
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 16:57 BST (UK) »
Out of interest Matt, can you confirm that Mum or another family member was the crossing keeper? Unusual if not.
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 19:38 BST (UK) »
The only definite time I have him at The Bulcote Gatehouse is 1891, because the enumerator has written it at the side. His wife is there but no occupation listed for her. Both father and a son are listed as platelayers. It is the last house in the hamlet.
In the 1871,1891,1901 censuses he is living at Bulcote, but the enumerator has not listed the properties, only in one he is in Principle street. But he is not in the last house in the village in any of theses censuses. There is at most one other railway family living in Bulcote at these times.
So I am wondering how long he lived in the Gatehouse. Noone appears to be listed as gatekeeper but he is listed as a Platelayer and there is always someone else in the family who could be opening the gates.
The parish registers at Burton Joyce have the baptisms of his children,
 in 1860,1862: residence=Bulcote, occupation of father=gatekeeper,
although strangely he is listed as living in Burton Joyce in the 1861 census.
In 1864:residence=Bulcote, occupationof father=platelayer. his first wife dies in 1865. He remarries and then
1866: residence=Bulcote, occupation of father=gatekeeper
After that the baptisms all show him living in Bulcote as platelayer/Ganger/Railway labourer.
It would be interesting to know how long the family lived in the Bulcote Gatehouse.
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 16:36 BST (UK) »
I know you said he was on the railway 1865-1905, but have you found the family in the 1911 census? Where were they? Someone at Burton Joyce must have opened the gates, unless upgrading of the line resulted in a singal box being built at Burton Joyce, in which case control of the gates would pass to the signalman, and if the box was continually staffed then no crossing keeper would be needed.
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Re: Railway records
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 August 10 08:54 BST (UK) »
Checked the 1911 census. James Shelton is living with his son in Mansfield and is retired. At Bulcote there is a new person listed as gate man. I found another of James' sons Jarvis Shelton living at Burton Joyce at the Gatehouse there. His daughter was born in Bulcote in1907. So looks like the family were at the Bulcote Gatehouse until at least 1907.
From all the evidence its looks like James Shelton and family were living at the Bulcote Gatehouse for about 45 -50 years. Perhaps from when it was first built.
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 19 August 10 17:10 BST (UK) »
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It was by no means unusual for all the adults in a family to be employed on the railway. It usually went like this; Dad would be a lengthman,or ganger, promoted from platelayer, who was responsible for ensuring his designated length of track was in a safe state, generally around 10 route miles, which he had to walk every day, fix any minor problems, ensure any more dangerous problems were signposted, and reported for attention. Mum would be the crossing keeper, opening the gates for road traffic as required. They would usually have a small holding attached to the cottage, which was tied to the job.

My Grandfather was invallided out of the railway works in Darlington and was then posted as a crossing keeper to Piercebridge, as you say with a tied house.

So there may be other reasons he was in the gate house

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 19 August 10 18:34 BST (UK) »
That was often the case; however a crossing keeper had safety responsibilities, and even if invalided out of another position after in jury or sickness had to at a minimum have 1) Normal colour vision, and 2) Be sufficiently physically active to work the gates without assistance, which would normally rule out amputations and strokes etc. A rural crossing keeper post would well suit someone who had been invalided out of a position where he was exposed to a large amount of dust in the atmosphere etc.One thing with the railway a person invalided out of a post usually did not suffer financially, they retained their rate of pay less a deduction of 10/- (50p) per week. I have known people transferred out of a footplate post through defective eyesight, to be accomodated in a job where through overtime earnings they were considerably better off financially then they had been.
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