Maritime Connections

[nickr90]

He might have been at sea on census night.

[moleym]

Such a strange place to be for a Master Mariner!      Why didn't I think of that!?

Thanks nickr90

[shorts]

I also only just discovered that the Fleetwing was listed at the beginning of this tread by Nick90.   

Fleetwing: reg. at Wexford 1902. Built at Banff in 1874. 78 ton, 2 mast schooner of 85 feet. Owner: J.J. Stafford, merchant and ship owner. Wrecked Carnarvon Bay 1919.

Left Wexford: 17 Dec 1918
Wrecked:        20 Jan 1919

The other part is that I have Caernarfon Bay not Carnarvon Bay. 

The Wexford Mariners I have were Captain George Murphy (The Faythe), Tim Murphy (Hill St), and First Mate James Carroll.

The “Fleetwing” was on route from Newport South Wales to Wexford when it ran into trouble near Milford Havan. Captain George Murphy tried to make for Fishguard Harbour but the schooner was blown north before running aground near Dinas, North Wales.

On board were:

Capt George Murphy – The Faythe
James Carroll, mate – Michael Street (died of exposure)
Patrick Whelan – Distillery Road
Matt O’Neill – Maudlintown
Thomas Murphy – High Street

Margaret Carroll, the widow of James Carroll, was later awarded £300   

Source: “A maritime history of Co Wexford Vol II 1911 – 1960 by John Power

[shorts]

Hello there

Captain George Murphy married Elizabeth Carthy had 6 children .... John, Kathleen (my mother), Vera, Marcella, Elizabeth and George.  All now deceased.

They lived at 25 The Faythe.

An earlier post by nickr90 shows that in the 1901 census, 25 The Faythe was occupied by John Francis Murphy but there is no mention of George Murphy who was born 1856/7 and so would have been about 45 yrs old and presumably living elsewhere at that age, but where?

He is then posted as living at The Faythe at the time of the wrecking of the Fleetwing in 1919 on the Welsh coast.

I believe he married Elizabeth Carthy in about 1920.

Anymore information from anyone?

A George Murphy married an Elizabeth Carty on 23rd March 1920 per the Bride St church parish register. One of the witnesses, Marcella (Clifford?), is possibly Elizabeth’s elder sister assuming the following is Elizabeth’s 1911 census entry:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/William_Street/697628/

[shorts]

The Elizabeth Carty who married George Murphy in 1920 was born 11th April 1897 per her baptism record. An earlier post stated Elizabeth Carty was born in 1900 so unsure if this is the same person.
 
1901 census details here:
 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/William_Street/1805858/

[moleym]

 Thank you for that information Shorts.  I do know that the Cliffords figure in our history and they currently live in Wales.  So, the connection with Marcella Clifford seems to be significant.

There is some talk in the family that Capt George Murphy was actually married twice, with a mention that it was to 2 women with the same name!

[Simontc]

Hi folks, coming to this thread very late but only discovered rootschat this week ancestry cd as a Xmas present

My Grandfather was James Carroll who lost his life on the fleetwing. he left a wife, Margaret nee Codd, and three children, James, Molly and my Dad Simon (aged about 2 at the time). Dad died when i was Seven (1965) and we lost close contact with James and Molly, so not much direct information.

will buy the book but curious if anyone has any info on any of the above particularly James Carroll's origins, dob 1888

thanks in advance

[culbaire]

The marriage of a James Carroll was registered in Wexford 3rd quarter 1911. Volume 4, page 384. married.  A Margaret Codd has same details. The marriage cert would give you his father's name and possibly an address.

[shorts]

My Grandfather was James Carroll who lost his life on the fleetwing. he left a wife, Margaret nee Codd, and three children, James, Molly and my Dad Simon (aged about 2 at the time). Dad died when i was Seven (1965) and we lost close contact with James and Molly, so not much direct information.

will buy the book but curious if anyone has any info on any of the above particularly James Carroll's origins, dob 1888

This could be your Grandparents marriage recorded in the Bride St church parish register on 27 August 1911.

If so then these are your Grandmother's census records (her dob seems to range from about 1882 - 1885)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Michael_Street/1805712/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Michael_Street/697460/

I couldn't see the Carroll family in the 1901 or 1911 census??

Do you have an exact dob for your Grandfather or is 1888 an approximation?