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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 03:16 BST (UK) »
You are right Valda.

I find this question particularly frustrating though because I feel I know the answer (that George Frederick and Charles Frederick are related), but just need that one bit of solid evidence! That one link will also break the wall I've had for many years now.

Thanks as usual!
David :D

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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 September 10 02:11 BST (UK) »
Hello friends

Finally received the death certificate recommended for Christian Frederick Taylor. Sadly I'm not seeing anything on there to bring me closer to my theory that he was the brother of George Taylor born cir 1783, but I may be missing something.

Christian Frederick the elder died June 5, 1844 at age 66 of dropsey. His place of death was 4 York Court, Registration Dist Saint James Clerkenwell. , sub dist of Pentonville, Clerkenwell, Middlesex.

Occupation Ostler, informant his daughter Frederica Caroline Taylor.

If anyone sees any info on here that would be helpful please let me know.

Thank you


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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #20 on: Friday 17 September 10 08:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

All the death certificate would be likely to give is a more accurate year of birth

His age at death gives his birth year as circa 1777/1778

The informant confirms it was the Christian who married Sarah though I'd be surprised if the relationship was given on the death certificate.


15th September 1822 St Andrew Holborn born 6th March
Frederica Caroline Taylor parents Christian Frederick and Sarah, Liquor frond Street, father's occupation ostler


Regards

Valda
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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 20 November 11 03:10 GMT (UK) »
If anyone is interested - I've been researching young Henry "Taylor" born in France 1842, son of Louisa Willard  and person unknown.  Louisa Willard married Christian Frederick Taylor who adopted Henry.  Henry married Isabella Gathercole and migrated to Australia in 1869 and had a pretty tragic time of it.  Suffice to say, they only had one kid out of 7 to survive to adulthood.  He's not an ancestor - I'm through Christian Frederick - Christian Frederick and Christian John Taylor.  Got a good photo of Christian John Taylor if anyone wants it.  Jeff


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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 20 November 11 03:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello! I'm interested thank you!

So, you did this research although you say these people are not related to you? Well, I guess technically since Henry was adopted he isn't my relative either. WhO is Christian John Taylor?

I am currently having some research done on my original question (the topic of this thread)

Thanks
David

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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 20 November 11 08:11 GMT (UK) »
OK.  Louisa Willard (1822) was the daughter of Henry Willard (1776), a millwright in Brighton and Susanna (unknown).  Henry was married to Lucy at the time.  Baptism certificate for Louisa in Broadwater-by-Worthing Sussex in January 1823.

Louisa married Christian Frederick Taylor (1809-1900) in 1847 at Saint Martin in the Fields.  With her she brought her son Henry.  Henry had been born in 1842 in France to person unknown.  In the 1851 census he is shown twice; once as Henry Willard living with his grandmother Susanna in Hailsham with her husband Edward Barnard, and once with his mother's new family in Stoke Newington as Henry Woollard, but you know it's him as he was born in France in 1842.

Henry was still living with the Taylors in 1861 and has now got the surname of Taylor - again the fact that he was born in France gives it away that he's the same guy.  In 1871 - Susanna (Louisa's mother) is living with the Taylor family.  So Henry was the guy that held it all together, so I was always interested in him. 

By sheer chance, I live in Melbourne Australia now, been here 17 years now, and my Ancestry search always seems to default to Australian records for some reason.  Henry appeared in a search - his death record (6/1/1917) clearly shows him as; Henry Taylor, father's name Christian Frederick Taylor, mother's name Louisa Willard, born in France in 1842, father's occupation Coachman. 

A quick search of Australian records showed that he and his wife Isabella Gathercole (daughter of Robert Gathercole) arrived in Melbourne on the Hougoumont in May 1869.  With them they had two kids, one of whom died on the voyage (I believe), and one survived; William Arthur Taylor 1868-1939.   Isabella and Henry continued to have a further 5 children all who died in childhood under 6.  Henry died in the Melbourne hospital of kidney failure and hypostatic pneumonia aged 75 occupation shown as wharf labourer.  Isabella died in 1922.  I traced Henry's burial to the Coburg Cemetery but it was a pauper's grave with no headstone plot COE D1202 - I visited on Friday and paid my last repsects.

So all in all, he had a tough life, and I try and imagine what life must have been like for him 100 years ago.  I will always remember him as the guy who tied together my family tree.  He is also the only person in my entire family tree who was not born in England!!

Anyway - thank you for listening to the tale of Henry.  I would love any more information about Susanna's maiden name - I have tried without success to find details of her marriage to bricklayer Edward Barnard of Hailsham.  I would also like to know more about Henry Willard (1776), Louisa's father, some have said he was from Chiddingly in Sussex, but I have seen no proof. I would also like to know where Christian Frederick Taylor (1778-1844) the ostler married to Sarah was from.

Cheers, Jeff



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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 20 November 11 08:20 GMT (UK) »
Sorry David, I have no idea how to attach the photo of my great great-grandfather, Christian John Taylor (born 1853), a butler.  Christian was the son of Christian Frederick Taylor (1809-1900), son of Christian Frederick Taylor (1788-1844) and was half-brother to the unfortunate Henry (1842-1917), in that they shared the same mother, Louisa Willard.  Christian John married an Eliza Monk (1849-1933) who also features in this photo with their two eldest sons Reginald and George (my great grandfather).

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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 20 November 11 08:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jeff! You can email it to *


I guess we are somehow related. My GGG grandfather was George Frederick TaylOr and im sure he and your Charles Frederick were related, most likely cousins. As a matter of fact at one poInt, GFs 2 sister in laws, the Broadbridge sisters are livIng with Charles Frederick.


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Re: George Frederick Taylor & Christian Frederick Taylor Cousins??
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 19 September 13 17:39 BST (UK) »
I am thinking my James Taylor, previously a brickwall, is now possibly connected to these queries, he married an Eliza Shotter , They married Sunbury,and I see in the posting from Valda,that her Charles married a Mary Ann Shotter, who was possibly Eliza's mother?. .
Frederick is a name running through my line too.My grandfather was Frederick Charles.No longer Taylor, as I come from a female line, but Taylor was a  middle name for one of the sons.