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Joseph Parker + 6th Dragoon Guards, Dundalk
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 23:33 BST (UK) »
Joseph Parker died Jan 1831 [last digit uncertain] age 74 and is recorded on a limestone slab in St Nicholas' churchyard, Dundalk.  Problem, as Brendan and other kind respondents in Co Louth have explained, is that this Joseph and his relations turn up at Dundalk in early C19 without any apparent background there.  Now I find that there was a Joseph Parker in the 6th Dragoon Guards, 'born in the Army', enlisted 1777, discharged aged 58 in 1814 [Kilmainham Ref A6475; TNA WO 119/23/174].  The dates and ages of the two Josephs are a good match (birth year 1756-7): was there any link between the regiment and Dundalk?  I see from the list of Co Louth regts at Dundalk that in 1764 there was the 12th Dragoons; 1784-1801 Foot and Militia only; 1806 + 1812-5 7th Princess Royal's Regt of Dragoon Guards; 1810 + 1814 6th Inniskilling Dragoons.  No 6th Dragoon Guards, it seems! - but in the 1800s-1810s seems there was a rapid turnover of regiments at Dundalk.  Is it possible that Joseph was in fact stationed at (or even recruited at) Dundalk at some stage and so came to settle there on retirement?  Could the 6th Dragoon Guards lurk among the list of Dundalk regiments?  For what it's worth, my father told me a rumour there was a British soldier back in the family story somewhere, perhaps this is he!  Any hints most welcome.  Anthony Parker

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Re: Joseph Parker + 6th Dragoon Guards, Dundalk
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 08:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Anthony

Like the infantry, the cavalry moved around the UK, not stopping at any particular place for long. Dundalk was as important a port as Belfast at the time, and so regiments passed through the town on a regular basis. As he was born 'in the army' he would not have had an affiliation with any particular place.

The army would not have recorded any information about his wife and children. Although, you could try the regimental BMDs on sites such as Findmypast to see if there are any Parkers born to 6DG men. They were in Ireland at the time of his enlistment

Do you have any information about your Joseph Parker's family - where the children where born and when? As he had enough money for a tombstone the man buried in Dundalk must have had a reasonable income, so it may have been an army pension. Most 74 year olds would have been 'on the parish' and been buried in a pauper's grave.

Ken

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Re: Joseph Parker + 6th Dragoon Guards, Dundalk
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 11:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Ken, for the rapid & helpful response.  Unfortunately there's no genealogical link to Joseph Parker (died 1831) on the MI.  His standing is pretty much confirmed by a ref to a Joseph Parker, churchwarden, in the early C19, who looks like the same.  Otherwise there is quite a family of Parkers, including a father and son Joseph, in the rest of the century, and all the men living in Dundalk (as far as one can tell) were shoemakers, though the family had enough money to erect further tombstones and it seems likely that some were servants of Earl Roden, the lord of Dundalk.  Shoemaker Parkers go back to before 1815 when a Jane Parker 'daughter of shoemaker Parker' was buried at the church, but I know nothing certain of her parentage.
    My father's grandfather, John Parker, was born at Dundalk in 1824 (he said, in Dundalk House), the son of Joseph Parker a shoemaker.  At some date he joined the Royal Sappers & Miners in which his trade was House Painter, his rank Private.  I have not yet seen his service record.  This scarcely points to any cavalry tradition in the family!
    Is it possible that the 6th Dragoon Guards would have included tradesmen such as bootmakers in their complement?  Or perhaps Joseph Parker the cavalryman could have been apprenticed in the boot and shoe trade before enlisting, since he was 21 or so when he joined up?  I appreciate this is all piling Pelium on Ossa but obviously I want to make the best use of what info there is!  Meanwhile I'll look further into the history of the 6th DGs as you suggest.  Anthony Parker

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Re: Joseph Parker + 6th Dragoon Guards, Dundalk
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 11:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Anthony

It was against the law to recruit apprentices. It was a specific question when a man attested. And a time-served man had no reason to join the army - for life then - as he could earn 4-5 times what a soldier got. The army did take on Boys for training as tailors, and saddle makers in cavalry regiments. There were bound to be men in the regiment who could mend boots, but they would not employ bootmakers.

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Re: Joseph Parker + 6th Dragoon Guards, Dundalk
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 August 10 22:00 BST (UK) »
Updating: reviewing the chronology of events at Dundalk and how they affect my putative ancestors, I don't now think the 6DG person need have any connexion with shoemaking after all.  As far as the 6DGs are concerned, I have had a marvellously informative letter from Home HQ Scots Dragoon Guards at Edinburgh which sorts out the history of the regiment and enables the knots to be all tied up!  Full marks to Home HQ.  If anyone can give me a reading list of good pictures etc regarding 18th century Carabiniers/Dragoon Guards I'd be pleased to have it.