huddersfield family history society

[heywood]

Well that answers my queries 

thanks Alan.

[dobfarm]

Nice detective work Alan and well presented to understand all these snips of info on all these forums.

So it now down too Dewsbury Parish registers and surrounding areas as not all BMD's are in freesearch. A subscription member could look through the quarter by quarter GRO's on Anc*st*y .c*.uk for 1871 -75 as long job though for John Henry Wood! or Ann could contact Dewsbury register office. There could be a workhouse baptism or a nonconformist or RC bapts.

I'll take up the baptism search for John Henry Wood of Dewsbury at Wakefield archives and other sources.



Dave

[dobfarm]

Births Mar 1875
 
Wood  John Hey    Dewsbury  9b 648

[libby9]

I'm late joining this thread and hope I've followed it all.  You are looking for the birth of John Henry Wood circa 1873 in Dewsbury reg district.  On census returns where he's been identified, his year of birth is consistent at circa 1873, and place of birth Heckmondwike.  I have searched the original GRO births qrt x qrt 1871 - 1873 and didn't find anything suitable.  There are six John Wood's born 1871-1875 in Dewsbury, but no John Henry.  Of course he may have been registered as John Wood and Henry added at his baptism.  The John Hey Wood birth Dob's found could be him, the registrar may have entered him as John Hry Wood and it was copied wrongly, though admittedly that birth seems a little late, however it wouldn't be the first time someone has gone through life believing themselves to be older than they actually are.

Within the Wood family there's definitely a Heckmondwike area connection.  In 1871 George and Kate, children of James are living in Heckmondwike.  RG10/Piece4590/Folio75/Page46.

They are still in Heckmondwike in 1881.  RG11/Piece 4553/Folio 107/Page 27.

And this could be James in 1871, his age is out by a few years but all other details fit, he's an iron moulder, a widow, and born Rotherham.  RG10/Piece4564/Folio140/Page29.

Apologies if I've repeated anything previously posted.  My info doesn't take us nearer to John Henry's birth, but does suggest a Heckmondwike connection.

Is the marriage between James Wood and Hannah Sykes a definite, or a maybe?  I've searched census returns but cannot find them together.  Do we know when James died?

[dobfarm]

Hi libby9

I found this on the net
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hi I am looking for a family of johnhenry wood born dewsbury abt 1865 to hannan from battly carr he wed a charlotte cocking in 1893 the children were frank 1896 harold oliver 1900 mary ann 1894 she wed a george green in 1914 charlotte died then he wed rose thorpe1916 there children were grace cecil george henry and roy I am doing this has roy is not well and I would like to find out what i can also john william was charltte son born 1905 hoping some one out there can help please john henry is my husbands grandad yors ann

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There is little outward input from Ann but there seems an urgency about it! as she left little notes wanting help on all John Henry Wood GRO free bmd's entries and spouses of James.

There seems to be nothing as to James Wood siblings around down run of usual bapts of his children after marriage year in the IGI or Census 1851 onwards if he married Mary Jepson 1848 June Rotherham 22 407 (With Ann's Note attached) also no census on John Henry Wood 1881c also 1891c seems iffy?. As you will well know that marriage age do differ to birth/bapt and death age but the first census after birth year usually is the best indicator to a real age or birth year later census years as they go in to adulthood ages do vary or in this case 1911c. This be the case 2 years out from 1911 census age (1873) and no infant age of John Henry 1881c-? I hope John Hey Wood birth 1875 is the right John. In retrospect of total knowledge of the dad James it seems as if he hid at times of recording of events of his family. In view of the fact that a John Henry Wood was Hung for the murder of Mr Coe in Rotherham in 1880- I can see why James kept his son out of the lime light on the 1881c even more if they were related.
http://www.whistonweb.co.uk/stories/1880.htm
Thought  to be James 2nd Wife Hannah Sykes married 1871 Birstall James could have died by 1881c as he be getting on in years.

I'll try and find the 1875 John Hey Wood  bapt

I wonder if John Hey or Henry is down as John Heywood 1873?-just a thought?

 Dob.

[dobfarm]

Lib

No we don't know when James Died- I'm thinking 1870's

Dobby

[libby9]

Hi Dob's,

I think we need Ann to come back to the thread to clarify some details.  I would like details about James Wood's marriage to Hannah Sykes.  Does Ann have the marriage certificate to prove it is 'her' James.  Also I'd like to know how Ann knows for sure that Kate Oretta and George were half siblings to John Henry, ie what proof is there?

As you know, family history research is worked back from your parents.  We move one stage at a time from parents to grandparents, great grandparents etc.  Unless I'm missing something here, Ann doesn't know John Henry's mother's name for certain, either first or surname.  So I can only conclude she's jumped a generation; and gone from John Henry to James and Hannah with no proof.  John Henry's marriage cert's name his father as James, but there's no proof his mother was Hannah.

Ann, please don't despair; we are all here to help you, but first we need to know what documented evidence you have, other than John Henry's marriage cert's, and how you've come to think Kate and George were John Henry's brother and sister.  Post everything you know to be fact, and we can then go ahead with further searches.  We'll try our best, honest!

[dobfarm]

Some further info, from Googling Anns posts on another forum,

Ann has both of John Henry Wood marriage certs, first to Charlotte Cocking, children Mary Ann, Harold, Frank, John and William. Charlotte died aged 41. Also second marriage to Rose Thorpe in 1916. Some of the children from this marriage are still alive. On both marriage certs his father is James, believes his mother was Hannah.

So it looks like we have the right John in 1911 and 1901 census with Charlotte and family. Its the "born in 1866" that is the red herring, as from all the census info he was born 1871-1873. Looks like the 1891 census is the right one also.

I think Ann was after help in both her posts on here in identifying John Henry's birth in Dewsbury in 1866-1870, but really she needs to be looking at 1871-1873. Would help if we could find them in 1881 as well. Ann also already a marriage cert for James Wood (widower) to Hannah Sykes in 1871, so thats probably the right one. Kate Oretta Wood is a bit of red herring, a probable half sister of John Henry, from James Wood first marriage.

Alan.  

Hi Alan
Ann should know exactly John Henry Wood's  birth year from two marriage certificates from John Henry himself by his two ages on the cert's

[Christine in Portugal]

The John Hey birth doesn't appear to be the correct one as it appears he died.

Deaths Jun 1875
WOOD    John Hey    *    Dewsbury    9b   417

The age is clearly 0 on the image

If the Hannah is correct in 1891 she is only 35 and although she shows as widowed in 1891 there is a Hannah Wood of correct birth year and born Dewsbury in earlier years but no John with her in 1881.

According to the details Ann posted from the marriage cert Hannah was 30 in 1871.

Christine