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William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« on: Monday 09 August 10 19:11 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering whether anyone can shed any light on a little mystery.

The surname Dawbarn is unusual, to the point that virtually all people carrying it are related to me through my GG grandmother. They settled in Wisbech, Cambs, in the early 18th century and 100 years later a branch of the family moved to Liverpool; there were extensive contacts between the two branches, including first- and second-cousin marriages, throughout the 19th century.

However, I've found one family of Liverpudlian Dawbarns who I really can't tie in to my lot. Not only is there no obvious connection to my family, but they are several steps down the social pecking order compared to 'my' Dawbarns (both Lancashire and Cambridgeshire). Given the relative wealth of the Dawbarn family, it would seem odd that they should have allowed William to die at an advanced age in Abercromby Workhouse in Liverpool.

Anyway, the mystery hinges around William Dawbarn, born 1820/21 in Liverpool according to his stated age in censuses and on his death certificate. He died on 12 March 1907 aged 86 in Abercromby Workhouse of senility. He lived with a woman called Alice, whom he called his wife in the 1871 and 1881 censuses, but I've found no evidence that they ever got married. The birth certificates of some of the children name her as Alice Ann Dawbarn formerly Halsworth. An Alice Dawbarn died Q3 1890 in West Derby and William is a widower in 1891 and 1901. I also can't tie this Alice in to anyone else in my extended Dawbarn family.

William and Alice had six children that I know of, between 1862 and 1876.

So far I've drawn a blank on William's origins. I haven't found him in 1841 (and if I do, he'll probably not be living with his family, being a 20-year-old) and I haven't found a baptismal record. I'm wondering whether he's an illegitimate child of one of 'my' Dawbarns -- this might explain the disparity in social status.

Any suggestions, information etc. gratefully received!

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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 August 10 19:44 BST (UK) »
Having done a search for William Dawbarn in all counties in 1851 onwards I come up with only one born 1820/21.

1851 He's in Wisbech with wife Elizabeth and family (she was born in Liverpool, he in Cambridgeshire).
1861 onwards they are all in West Derby.
His occupation is given as Timber/Slate Merchant.

Is this the family or have you found something different?.

Mike
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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 August 10 19:52 BST (UK) »
Hi

The 1871 Census Show the Year of Birth for William as 1827?

Emyln Sq ?

William Dawbarn and Alice.... and Children Williams Occupation is a Joiner

1871 Census
There is Another William Dawbarn b 1820 b Wisbeach Cambs Living in Wavertree Liverpool His Wife is Elizabeth Williams Occupation Is  a Timber Slate Merchant Living At Elmswood Hall

Thay Have 10 Children ..There is also a Mary T Yelverton Sister In Law aged 50 b Liverpool This is Elizabeths Sister

I was Wondering if the 2 williams Could be Related Due to there Occupations ??

Hope This Helps In Some way


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Iria
Harold Liverpool and Warwickshire
Slater Liverpool
 Murray Liverpool
Garner  Liverpool
Lister/Lester Liverpool and Cambridgeshire
Norris Liverpool and Ireland


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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 August 10 19:58 BST (UK) »
BMD  Marriage

William  Dawborn  March Q  1843  Wirral   19  231

Possible Brides  Susan King  Eliza Kirkwood  an  Elizabeth Taylor  Yelverton

Any use
Wragg Sheffield/Rotherham
Noble  Sheffield/Derby
Kirk     Sheffield/Northumberland
Lenton Sheffield
Ward  Deryshire
Twigg Derbyshire

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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 August 10 20:07 BST (UK) »
Hi

Not Sure If this will Help

The 1841 Census Shows as Follows

7 Gilbralta Place Surrey St George The Matyr

Thos Dawbo/an 45 Carpenter bofc No
Margt Dawbo/an 40                        No
Sarah Dawbarn 15                          No
William Dawbarn 15                         No
James Dawbarn 8                            No
Edward Dawbarn 3                           No


(Just Looked At the Census again Looks Like Margt is Mary )


Hope This Helps

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Iria
Harold Liverpool and Warwickshire
Slater Liverpool
 Murray Liverpool
Garner  Liverpool
Lister/Lester Liverpool and Cambridgeshire
Norris Liverpool and Ireland


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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 August 10 23:54 BST (UK) »
BMD  Marriage

William  Dawborn  March Q  1843  Wirral   19  231

Possible Brides  Susan King  Eliza Kirkwood  an  Elizabeth Taylor  Yelverton

Any use
William Yelverton Dawbarn is mentioned 5 times on freebmd ...all types  looks like a father and son births /marriages death aged 38.....so looks like William married Elizabeth Taylor Yelverton ...allan
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 00:05 BST (UK) »
OK the marriage is on Cheshire Parish records
in Bebington 30th March 1843
William Dawbarn    Gentleman of full age  from Wisbeach , Cambridge and Bebington...Batchelor
Elizabeth Taylor Yelverton aged 19   Spinster from Bebington
Grooms fathers name Robert Dawbarn   Merchant
Brides fathers name William Yelverton   Merchant
Witnesses  William Yelverton and William Gayton
married by R.M.Fielden   
does this help ?...as he is full age he has to be born 1822 or earlier..it would suggest he is living in Bebington in 1841 census don`t you think... so he WASN`T born in Liverpool , he was born Wisbeach   now Wisbech ?
allan :)
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 00:46 BST (UK) »
So ..Elizabeth Taylor Dawbarn died aged 68 in 1893 in mar qtr...
SO WHY would William name any children born 1862 -1876 ( with Alice ) YELVERTON ?
Albert Yelverton Dawbarn 1863
William Yelverton Dawbarn 1871
Crazy as this sounds - I think there are TWO William Dawbarn b around 1822  - one in Liverpool area and one in Wisbeach...Elizabeth Taylor Yelverton married one of them....Alice Ann Halsworth DID NOT marry the other William Dawbarn but had children to him
Richard David 1864
Sarah Jane 1868
Harry 1871
Arthur Frederick 1873
Elizabeth Alice 1876 ....AHA...as I was looking for 1862 to 1876 births I realised that
Elizabeth Taylor Yelverton Dawbarn married in 1843 ...she would have given birth 1844 onwards ...and she did....THEY WENT BACK TO WISBECH
1844 1845 1847 1849 1850 1852 1856 1859 ......then back to Liverpool 1861 1863 1871
11 children born YELVERTON DAWBARN....I am now convinced there are TWO Williams OR TWO Dawbarn - Yelverton marriages...possible amongst rich Families....hope I haven`t confused you.as I was getting a little puzzled myself ...allan
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: William Dawbarn 1820-1907, Liverpool
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 00:49 BST (UK) »
So Fosse...after all that can you now tie in the Dawbarn through William Dawbarn ..father Robert Dawbarn from Wisbech...do you have ROBERT in your tree ?....I hope so, I`m going dizzy....lol...allan :D
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford