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« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 18:29 BST (UK) »
A Richard Crowcroft of Bridlington married a Miss Jordan of Harpham (about 6 miles out of Brid) in 1828
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« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 21:31 BST (UK) »
i hadnt tried the variant of Crowcroft but i hadnt put exact search on except for the census
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« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 02:47 BST (UK) »
Hi, sorry not to respond until now.  We had issues today with our e-mail account. 

Thanks again for all your input!  I'll try to answer some of the questions that have been raised.

#1  Regarding the children born to the Hannah and Matthew in Ovenden, I do not  see the girls (Betty, Sally or Sarah) after their baptisms. Also,  I have not been able to find their marriage records, so I'm not sure what name they would be using by the time of the 1841 census.  His son Jacob is also not in any of the later records, which is why I'm wondering if he is the Jacob Cockcroft who married in Ireland in 1806.  The other son, John or Jno, is hard to trace in the Halifax area because it's such a common name among the Cockcroft clan.  Essentially they seem to fall  out of the records after 1793. 

#2  There is an Isaac Cockcroft listed on the military records for Matthew's unit.  However, we think he was killed in the Battle of Saintfield because he falls off the paylists after the event.  Since the Matthew born in 1762 had a brother named Isaac, it seems like further proof that the Illingsworth Matthew is the one!

#3  Matthew has two children with his wife in Ireland:  Robert #1 and Matilda.  Matilda marries the manager of a local mine and moves to Canada or the U.S....she is never heard from again.  Robert #1 has three children:  Robert #2, Matilda, and Jane. 

#4  Matthew's family in Ireland belonged to the Church of Ireland.  They seem to be very religious people, occupying the 2nd row of the St. Marks church in Newtownards for almost 100 years. 

#5  I also struggled with why a man from a fishing town would join the army instead of the navy.  And why did he settle in a landlocked area of Ireland?   The first three generations of the family in Ireland had nothing to do with weaving, which seems strange if Matthew was from Halifax.   They do not appear to be farmers either.  As far as we know, Robert the 1st drove a "cab" in his later years and may have been a servant in his earlier life.  Robert #2 was a sawyer, who was killed in a mill accident when he was in his 30s.  After his death, his wife, Jane Gray, supported her four boys by doing needlework.  She supposedly embroidered a bedspread, which was given by Northern Ireland to Queen Victoria as a gift.  In short, their occupations don't seem to tie them to either East or West Riding!

I think the only way to prove that the Illingsworth Matthew is the correct one is to prove that he did not die in England.  I think I'm going to focus first on finding death certificates in England for him and Hannah.  I'm not sure what more we'll find in Flamborough...especially if he was baptized with a different first name.  I'll definitely try tracing the Cockcrofts in that area to see if they died in England.

You all have given me some great resources to check out   Thank you so much for sharing all your thoughts and ideas!

cindy 


 
Cockcroft, Cockcraft - East and West Yorkshire
Pearson - York area
Major - Darlington area

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« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 08:53 BST (UK) »
Cindy there are no death certificates before July 1837. All you can find before that date are burial records.

Now burial records can be the most difficult to find online. IGI tends only to have baptisms and marriages.

The girls if they survived should have married ( assuming it was before 1837) in a Church of England church, so that is where you need to look for their marriages.

If they had 2 girls named Sally/Sarah I think you can assume the first one died before the birth of ther second one. It was common practice to name a child after a dead sibling.
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« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 09:47 BST (UK) »
Although it seems as if Matthew did come from Yorkshire you may be able to prove he didn’t come from Ireland by consulting the religious census of Ireland which was taken in 1766 (in theory there should be no Cockcrofts on it! ) this was carried out by the clergy to determine the religious affiliations of the population.  It contains Head of household, religion & number of children it is not a comprehensive record of all the population as those not eligible for payment of tithes were excluded.
Which leads me to think there were tithe maps drawn up earlier than the ones in England, the religious census was destroyed by the fire in 1922 but partial transcripts were made and are held in the National Archives.
Later we have the Griffiths valuation ( the first full-scale valuation of property in Ireland.) so called because It was overseen by Richard Griffith and published between 1847 and 1864. (this is after the tithes in England)

From Genuki: Ireland
Tithe Applotment books, Griffith's Primary Valuation records, and later land valuation records are also valuable census substitutes, because they record the names of the owners or occupiers of the land. These are described in the Irish Times site under Land Records.

From 1750 – 1832  only men with money (over £10 per year) and property rights could vote (actual landowners) and they had to be over 21 
if Matthew met the requirements he may be on the pollbooks and electoral rolls
see more here:
http://www.thefamilyhistorypartnership.com/hints03.html

you used to be able to find burial records online at family history online but this website was taken over by find my past
the trouble also with the national burial index is that people have to transcribe parish registers and then give them to the people creating the NBI so this is not complete and remember you have 2 transcriptions already what one person may see as something someone else may see as something else so you may locate them in the NBI but it is always best to check the original parish register.

TNA has records of tax dissenters i.e. people who didn’t pay their tax for whatever reason
I think this maybe in section E192 but will need to double check this
TNA have many records of tax and i find this is the best place to start because after the civil war everybody has had to pay tax (even though it was originally created to put money in the coffers because we lost so much during the war and it is still here today)
TNA are very good but the trouble is not al the records are online and not all are searchable by name, they are getting there slowly though!

Did you see the new probate records on Ancestry? I am not sure if they cover the years you need (don’t think they do) but very interesting indeed, I have already found members of my family on there.
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« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 09:58 BST (UK) »
Cindy I think as Toni says you are going to have to think outside the box.

What I would think about is this.

Have you got a LDS Family History Centre anywhere near to you?

If so you are going to have to order films etc. that they have.

I would start with this one.

 Burials, 1781-1812, Ovenden near Halifax

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Subjects  England, York, Ovenden - Church records
England, York, Halifax - Church records 


Copies 
Call Number  Location  Availability  High Density 
942.74/O1 K29b  FHL BRITISH Book  Available     


Format  Manuscript (With Film) 
Language  English 
Physical  97 leaves 


Subject Class  942.74/O1 K29 


If you look on Family Search library catalogue and just enter Halifax in search you will see they have loads of films etc available.

You are going to have to possibly trawl through a lot of films but I think it will be the only way of finding the information you want.

I think that plus checking Flamborough PRs before 1724 just to hopefully confirm the family weren't there before that date will lead you to the Halifax area branch as being yours.
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« Reply #51 on: Thursday 12 August 10 23:58 BST (UK) »
Just wanted to thank everyone for their participation in the scavenger hunt.  I have learned so much from all your feedback.  I've got tons of ideas of new places to search.  Will let you know if I ever find the elusive Matthew Cockcroft!!!

Thanks again!

C.
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« Reply #52 on: Sunday 15 August 10 17:38 BST (UK) »
in the 18th c a tax was payable on all carriages used for the conveyance of people. the tax did not apply to farm vehicles or other carts, wagons etc used for business purposes
at TNA there are records of this in the Treasury section (T series)
this will show persons name year no. of  carriages held and with with how many wheels i.e. 4 or 2 and the tax they paid.
T36/5 1752-1755
T36/6 1755-1756
T36/7 1756-1762
T47/2 1753-1756
T47/3 1756-1762
T47/4 1763 - 1766
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« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 11:30 BST (UK) »


It's time for this weeks Scavenger Hunt and here it is.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,475984.0.html

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara

As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
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