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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #180 on: Sunday 19 June 11 01:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Katjo,

Good to see yet another direct family link.

We know details of all of JAS's siblings and your reference to Elizabeth could only refer to, Harriet Elizabeth Indianna Stephenson b 4-10-1833 Singhee Bengal. Chr 21-9-1838 Bishopwearmouth.

She was more commonly known as Indianna, but used Elizabeth in her 1st marriage to Luke Scott 1853 and this also appeared on her marriage certificate for 2nd Marr to Hugh Lyall 1876, but by 1881 census she had reverted to using Indianna. Her 3rd Marr was to William Emery 1902.

As far as I am aware her only issues from these marriages were Eleanor Scott born abt 1854 & Indianna Scott born 1870. Luke Scott and Hugh Lyall were widowers and had children from their 1st Marriages.

Indianna marr John Carr 1893 so I assume your link must be through Eleanor and that she marr 1896?

Can you give more specifics to confirm or otherwise.

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Ian

 




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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #181 on: Sunday 19 June 11 16:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian

I think I am mistaken with my information.
I have always believed, according to my parents who are long since dead, that JAS was a relative but I don't think in the context that he was the brother of my gt grandmother Elizabeth.  I have checked the family tree on Ancestry and she was second youngest of 8 of Clement and Margaret Stephenson's children.  No John mentioned.
The inscription handwritten on the back of the watercolour reads "To Mr C S Long (my grandfather) with the artist's best wishes, 1.9.1896.  This was obviously a wedding present which makes me think there is a family connection somewhere but alas I can't find it.

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #182 on: Sunday 19 June 11 21:32 BST (UK) »
Hello Dianecon,
I am still hoping to find new information on John Stephenson but no luck so far. It needs new links to other families to join up the dots!
 I was so pleased to see a new name Katjo, but it looks like there is no direct link to John Atlantic Stephenson. However there is an intriguing one in the form of Clement Stephenson...to give an original painting  as a wedding present and have the same surname? It's interesting and may prove fruitful. I will have a look on Ancestry and see if there is any way of tracing the families.
Best wishes to all
Maggie

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #183 on: Sunday 19 June 11 23:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Katjo,

I wouldn't give up on the connection, as if family suggest related to JAS, then that is likely to be the case. I have come across the name Clement Stephenson before once as reference through the Tyne&Wear Archive Service, when I was trying to prove the stated family link to THE George Stephenson. At that time I couldn't find link to Clement , but then not knowing family details of our John other than born 1790/5 that perhaps is not surprising.

I also seem to recall having seen Clement as a middle name in some family records.

Have you fully read all of our posts ie 19 pages. If not suggest might be a good idea and if anything looks like a possible link let us know.

Also do you have a link to THE George S.

Ian


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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #184 on: Monday 20 June 11 00:52 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

There is also the fact that Cotherstone Mill is in the parish of Romaldkirk.  This could be just another coincidence or it could be another pointer to the Stephensons hailing from there (see my previous posts).

By yet another strange coincidence another of my ancestors unconnected to the Stephensons, one Thomas Bustin, was the miller at Cotherstone in the early 1800s.  The burial register for 18 Oct 1806 records his father's unfortunate demise - John Bustin, aged 47, killed by falling down Mill Hill Scar the 15th inst. at night coming from market, Cotherstone Mill.

Darkness, steep hills (and too much alcohol?) have never been a good combination...

Jon
 
Preston in Newcastle (1770-1850) ; Brumwell - Weardale and Newcastle ; Wylie (Newcastle 1800-1870) ; Slaughter (Sussex and South Shields 1750-1850) ; Barkas (Newcastle 1750-1850) ; Redshaw (Medomsley and Newcastle 1750-1850) ; Simpson (Hamsterley 1720-1820) ; Anderson (Ryton 1750-1850) ; Chilton (Darlington 1750-1920) ; Pattison (West Tanfield, Bellerby, Northallerton) ; Sanderson (Hamsterley and Stanhope (1750-1850)

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #185 on: Monday 20 June 11 18:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ian for the tips.  I will look at all the pages.
  No relation to GS unfortunately.
  Clement Stephenson was a butcher in Gateshead High Street.  My grandfather was named after him as Clement Stephenson Long and my father had Stephenson for a middle name. 
If I see anything which seems familiar I will post it here.
Incidentally I do live in the Tyne & Wear area although it used to be Co Durham.
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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #186 on: Monday 27 June 11 22:59 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I spoke to Joy last week ( JAS's great grand daughter) and asked her if the name Clement rang any bells. She said her grandfather, Philip Charles John Stephenson, son by JAS second marriage to Ellen Grace, was a Sarah Clement.
 An unusual coincidence! Will keep looking..
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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #187 on: Thursday 28 July 11 05:21 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

For those of us with an interest in the William Brumwell & Elizabeth Gordon connection, I have now obtained copies of Williams Will as certified 8-4-1816, following his death Dec 1815 and the subsequent Perogative Court Decision of 22-12-1848. (Jon I know you previously advised me of your having the 1848 Decision but don't know if you had the 1816 Will).
The 1816 Will was very enlightening as to family members (confirmed my thoughts as to William born 1813 & John born 1815 both being their sons, as some Family Tree's claim John as being the Son of William C Brumwell & Elizabeth Teesdale who married 1815)and also that he was keen to ensure all children were provided for and treated equally.
My interpretation of the Will is that 'Natural Daughter' means of his issue but illegitimate, 'Daughter/Son' mean of his issue in marriage and 'Daughter in law' means not of his issue but a pre existing daughter of his wife's before their marriage. One of the children I knew nothing about previously and clearly was by an association after he separated from his 1st wife Susanna Wilkinson about 1793 and before he met our Elizabeth Gordon around 1804 and subsequently married 1810.
To his Daughter Isabella Buckoll (from his 1st marr. She married Richard Buckoll a Captain in the Sussex Militia, 2-1-1809) he bequeathed only 5 pounds as he states "for whom I have done a great deal in my life time, both before and after her marriage". To my Natural Daughter (this is the unknown one) Harriott Brumwell, alias Carter, daughter of Harriott Carter of Kingsworthy Hampshire an Annuity of 20 pounds and my Natural Daughters Elizabeth Gordon Brumwell,Jane Brumwell & Anne Brumwell each an Annuity of 20 pounds, to my Daughter Catherine Brumwell and my Son William Brumwell each an Annuity of 20 pounds.To my Daughter in law Mary Gordon the sum of 20 pounds.(Mary was born abt 1802/1803 in Aberdeen as confirmed in the 1851 Census when she was living with Elizabeth Brumwell both being widows and Mary's surname being Henry).
This Will was written after William's birth in 1813 but before 1815 as John was not included. However in 1815 a Codicil was added to give his Son an Annuity of 20 pounds also and also the same other rights as his brother William and Sisters. Additionally as the Annuities were only set up to age 21 we can say the Harriet Brumwell was not yet of that age and therefore ties in with a birth between 1793 and 1804.
The house at the head of Westgate St, two doors above his Dwelling House, together with furniture. silverware,household linen, woolens and implements were left to his wife Elizabeth for her use during her natural life together with an Annuity of 50 pounds. On her death these were to pass to the children equally.
Unfortunately on William's death Dec 1815 his financial position had changed quite dramatically and he appears to have left outstanding Debts in excess of 400 pounds, this being the amount claimed by his business partner William Dobson of the firm Brumwell & Dobson Druggists. This amount was disputed as Dodson accepted a payment of 50 pounds in settlementand the case went to administration. William owned a share in an Eswich Copperas Works but these were worthless at the time due to the collapse in the Market. Also seems that the lease Agreement on the Works was 40 years from 1806 so the Works could not be wound-up and realised until the expiry of the lease in 1846 at the earliest. However at the final administration in 1848 the Brumwell Estate was valued at some 1200 pounds and after deductions for debts etc about 600 pounds was payable. as Elizabeth Gordon Stephenson was a Widow with 7 children the other beneficiaries agreed to forego their rights and all was paid to her.Only Anne was unable to sign a waiver as apparently she had gone to Germany many years earlier and had not been heard off again.

Jon do you know anything further on the Carter connection?


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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #188 on: Thursday 28 July 11 07:47 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm presuming the will was proved in the Prerogative Court of York? The National Archives will hold the Death Duty record on the will (nothing online for this period).

'Many claims for death duty arose long after the death of the testator, for example when a life tenant of the estate died. All the registers are regarded as "still in the making" for 50 years from the date of opening. This means that further comments could be added to the registers many years after the first entry and so they can include additional information such as:

dates of death of spouse
dates of death or marriage of beneficiaries
births of posthumous children and grandchildren
change of address
references to law suits
cross-references to other entries'



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