Buffers; many thanks for the information. I don't know what caused the dowturn in the family fortunes prior to John Atlantics appearance as a celebrity, however his nephew, my great grandfather must have turned his own fortunes around as I`m told he had his own bakery at some point and certainly did buy quite a bit of property in Low Fell, Gateshead. In fact I have oneof his rent collecting books, and, as a child I lived in two of the houses he had originally owned. I`m told that his wife Martha (Baillie) was the driving force behind him and that he was less successful following her death. Still digging, I`ll post anything I come up with.