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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #234 on: Wednesday 17 September 14 04:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy,

Sorry for such a late response to your queries, but I thought as you had previous dealings with Maggie that she might have wanted to respond first.

Firstly the correct name is Leonard Quintus Stephenson. I have his birth certificate for 15-3-1838 Bishopwearmouth Durham and baptism records. His middle name simply refers to his being the 5th child.

The last record for Leonard that I have found is the 1861 UK Census Elswick when he was 23 and a Printer Compositor, still living with his mother Elizabeth and brothers Albert & Alfred.

Henry Layton Stephenson (Snr) b 1832, his elder brother (who is my wife's great grandfather) was heavily involved in NZ Railways since his arrival in 1874. Stints at Ashburton, Timaru, Napier, Palmerston North and finally New Plymouth where he died 1907. I don't know if he had any part in a Railway museum in Palmerston North.

If you go through the forum posts you will get a good understanding of where we all are at with the whole family research and the many family reconnections made. Unfortunately Leonard, Alfred Septimus Stephenson and Harriet Elizabeth Indianna Stephenson (Marr 1 Scott, 2 Lyall 3 Emery)are the ones we have not reconnected with yet.

I have a copy of the John Stephenson Journal, as provided by Maggie, and I am very grateful that your mother made this available to her. It is a treasured record in our genealogy collection. Do you know which part of the Stephenson line she acquired this from?

I note that your family arrived NZ 1924 at Lyttelton on the ship Remuera.

Should you have any further queries I will be happy to help if I can.

Cheers
Ian

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #235 on: Wednesday 17 September 14 09:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,

Good to see that this thread is still alive and kicking even though new info on the Stephensons is becoming harder to come by.

Can I put forward a suggestion for a black sheep in the family which you can either back up or shoot down from your own information...?

As you have previously detailled here, your Henry Layton Stephenson had a son registered with the same name, born at Castle Eden in 1859.

I think the young burglar referred to below is he, albeit going by the name of Henry Leonard rather than Henry Layton.  But as we know, Leonard is also a family name (in fact going back to my earlier suggestion that John Stephenson d.1844 was the son of William Stephenson and Mary nee Layton of Middleton-in-Teasdale/Romaldkirk, William Stephenson of  Middleton-in-Teesdale had a brother called Leonard which may explain the provenance):

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/victorian-mugshots-reveal-nineteenth-century-interest-in-criminal-anthropology-7892823.html?action=gallery&ino=2


A detailled account of Henry's misdemeanours can be read here:

HOUSEBREAKING AT NEWCASTLE - TWO BOYS APPREHENDED
At the Newcastle Police Court on Monday, before Mr. Ald. Nicholl and Mr. Ald. Wilson, Richard Clement Fisher (18) and Henry Leonard Stephenson (12), were charged with housebreaking and theft. Chief Constable Nicholls said the boys were charged with breaking into the house of Mr. Green, in Lawton Street, and stealing various articles therefrom. During the last month or six weeks 8 or 10 unoccupied houses had been broken into and their contents ransacked and things taken away. He had every reason to believe that he should be able to prove satisfactorily to the Bench that the majority, if not all of theses houses had [been] broken into and entered by the prisoners. He was not then prepared to go into the numerous cases and proposed to offer only evidence sufficient to justify him in asking for a remand.—John Thomas Green: We left for Tynemouth on the 18th of last month, and returned a fortnight to day. I found that the house had been broken into by the pantry window, through a zinc pane, and that the bolt of the kitchen door had been drawn, and access gained to the house. I found all the window shades down; they were spread on the floor, as if to deaden the sound of feet. I missed a violin case - the violin was left, a thermometer, and boy's cash-box. [Violin case produced and identified.] Witness thought the thermometer produced was his, but there were many others like it, and it had no mark by which he could identify it.—Detective Anderson deposed: During the last three weeks I have been making inquiries with reference to the housebreaking at the west end of the town. On Friday afternoon, I saw the two prisoners standing in Summerhill Street. I went up to Fisher and asked his name. About half an hour afterwards, I took Fisher to his mother's house in Summerhill Street, and in the presence of his mother mother told him that I was a detective officer, and that I suspected that he had broken into a number of houses and stolen various articles. I asked him If he had any keys. He replied "Yes, I have a small bunch of keys in my pocket." I asked his mother if he had a box, and she said he had not. I said I suspected that he had a box, and she left the room and returned with a small wooden box. As she came along the passage I heard something fall as if from the box ; and on going to the passage in company with the prisoner and his mother, I found a bunch of keys. I went into a back room and found the violin case. About 7 o'clock on Friday night I went to Elswick East Terrace, where Stephenson resides with his grandmother. I told him I  suspected him of breaking into several houses In company with Fisher. He said he had not done so. I searched the house, but did not find anything. I went back some time after and found the thermometer produced hanging in the parlour. I took Stephenson to the Laurel Street Police Station, and he then said in reference to the thermometer, "Oh! it was got along with the violin case". The prisoner was remanded for a week. [Morpeth Herald - Saturday 12 October 1872]

Most of the circumstantial details fit - Henry would have been 13 not 12 but his birthplace is given as Castle Eden and he is said to be living with his grandmother at Elswick East Terrace.  Elizabeth Gordon Stephenson was living at Elswick East Terrace in 1861 and her address in 1871 is given as Judson Place but this is often listed as being part of Elswick East Terrace.

I must say that he doesn't look like a bad lad in his photo.  Do you have any photos of Henry junior which would confirm/dispute that this is he?  He would have served his jail term one year before the family moved to NZ.

Regards,
Jon
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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #236 on: Wednesday 17 September 14 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Jon,

Glad to see you are still following this forum.

Well what a stunning revelation about Henry Layton Stephenson (Jnr). Everything (age, place of birth, residence and living with grandmother), certainly ties in with him being the accomplice. Great photo also.  Elizabeth died Jan 1878 and young Henry then 18 left the UK in June that year to come to NZ to be with his father. His occupation was given as a storekeeper.

Clearly the case of a young boy changing his life around, for he became very successful in NZ.   Lived in a grand house called Bleak House and employed domestic staff. I don't have photos of him as a young boy but I attach one when abt 45ish, not a great photo as photocopied but I think resemblance is there.

Cheers

Ian

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #237 on: Wednesday 17 September 14 23:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both Ian, for so clearly summing up all the findings, and Jon, for the fascinating new find!

I have recently been in contact with Cathy and shared information in the form of personal letters between her Great grand mother and my mother's family.  Because of this shared link I can only assume the journal was passed for safe keeping by John and Elizabeth to their daughter, our mutual ancestor, Catherine Mary Layton and at some stage and was passed on to her youngest daughter Edith. Edith had 4 children, the oldest being my grand mother and her sister was Cathy's grandmother! Mignon Leyton was her daughter( and Cathy's mum ) and has looked after the original journal so carefully. 
I have re read many of the  Rootschat entries and remembered that before I found Rootschat I asked the help of a professional genealogist. (She actually went on to find my father's link to the Burberry's of clothing fame! )
Right at the start of the Stephenson research she doubted that any link to George could be proved. However she did make three points based on 'genealogical logic' that I never followed up and I will summarise:

 Firstly that John Stephenson would have been 39 when JAS was born mid Atlantic and that this could be construed as rather old if Elizabeth was his first wife. He could well have married before.

Secondly she said marriages usually took place in the brides home parish. Elizabeth was baptised at St Nicholas Non Conformist Church, Newcastle on Tyne. This meant that her family were probably non Anglican and therefore John and Elizabeth might not have married in an Anglican Church?

Thirdly, passports were not a legal requirement until 1914 but some were issued as early as 1794. Is it possible John applied for one? He seemed to have no qualms about making big location moves! Can we assume he was even born in this country? How can passports be traced, if at all?

I doubt any of these thoughts can be easily followed up but it may get us to look at the known information from a different angle!

Best wishes to all,
 Maggie


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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #238 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 07:07 BST (UK) »
Hello all,

My aunt by marriage was Marjorie Doreen Leeson born 16 November 1913 in New Zealand, and her grandmother was Elizabeth Gordon Stephenson (born 1855 Hartlepool c.30/1/1859 Castle Eden, Co Durham).

From reading these posts I see that there is uncertainty as to who was the John Stephenson (abt 1790 - died 4 Dec 1844 Heworth Shores) who was the grandfather of Elizabeth Gordon Stephenson, the daughter of Henry Layton Stephenson (1832 - 1907). I am not confident that he was the John Stephenson (c.4/4/1790 Romaldkirk) even though his mother was a Mary Layton.

Much has ben said about Henry L Stephenson's brother, John Atlantic Stephenson,  being a poet and artist. Perhaps he came from  a family with such talents.

Has anyone considered whether their father was the John Stephenson baptised in Gateshead on 7 Dec 1788, the son of William Stephenson (c.28/6/1763 Gateshead - died 12/8/1836 Gateshead) who married at Gateshead on 23 May 1784 to Jane Sharpe?

William Stephenson (Snr) was one of the earliest Tyneside poets and song writers, being a clock and watch maker who was educated and being something of a literary scholar later became a very successful schoolmaster. His son, William Stephenson (c.2/9/1797 Gateshead - died 20/5/1838), also included poetry and song writing  amongst his many talents.

Apart from John 1788 and William 1797, William Stephenson (Snr) and his wife Jane possibly had other children in Gateshead - George c.2/1/1785, Catherine c.23/8/1786, Jane c.1/10/1786 and William b. 12/6/1790 c.9/9/1792. However, I have been unable to sight images of the parish records to try to confirm that they all were siblings and don't wish to travel from Australia to do so.

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #239 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 03:34 BST (UK) »
Hi All
Thank you for welcoming into your forum.  This has certainly been an interesting journey of discovery for me and my research will form a surprise elaborate album / scrapbook for my Mum, Mignon Leyton (interesting she has a different spelling) Arnst (nee Woodhouse) for her birthday.  I thank you all for your contributions thus far as it has filled a lot of gaps for me.
With regards to the last post by Bellam1, I can confirm that we are on the right track regarding John Stephenson.  "Our" John travelled to India and his original journal is held by my mother. He and the family appear on passenger lists and John Atlantic was certainly born on the voyage to India, hence his name.
I look forward to hearing more bits of info, and if you anyone happens to have any new photographs which have not yet been posted / shared.....I would love a copy to put in the scrapbook I am working on.
Thanks again
Cathy

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #240 on: Friday 10 October 14 03:27 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

Jon and I corresponded in 2010 re the possibility that a Capt William Brumwell who died 12-7-1854 at Cockfield Durham, was the son of William Brumwell and Elizabeth Gordon, born 1813.

Jon had previously established the marriage of William to a Mary Frances Moses at Tynemouth on 19-1-1840 but noted that the PR copy on microfilm at Tyne and Wear Archives did not give his fathers name or occupation, having being entered on the old Rose Act register and not one of the more informative ones using the 1837 registration details.

When I searched Ancestry.com records at this time a marriage record was shown under the England & Wales Marriages 1538 to 1940 citing Tynemouth Christ Church film No 1068931 but this gave fathers names as John Brumwell & Thomas Moses. Several Family Trees show this relationship but identifying William as being born 1806.

Jon was of the opinion that William's father's first name must have been wrongly entered as he was not aware of any other William Brumwell born 1813 with a Newcastle connection. Jon had also provided detail of a transcript from Williams gravestone in the Cockfield churchyard but this showed "Erected in memory of Captain William Brumwell of Newcastle ......." but again no reference to his father. I have seen similar reference compiled by a by Dave Ollerton re Saint Mary Churchyard Cockfield Durham on www.interment.net.

Jon did not hold out hope that the death cert would provide the required information either.

Well that is how it has remained, until yesterday, when I was retracing old info and clicked on Capt William Brumwell at Ancestry and came across a picture Capt Brumwell which was marked private member AnnaHankey.

However on moving the cursor over the link a text box appeared which read as follows;

Photo date: Visited by Anna 9 August 2012
Location: St. Mary's Church Cockfield

Inscription reads- In Memory of Capt. William Brumwell son of Doctor Brumwell of Newcastle who died at Cockfield July 12 1854 age 40 years. Also William son of the above Capt. William Brumwell who died May 8th 1849, Aged 2 years. Also Elizabeth daughter of the above who died October 29th 1850. Also Mary Frances wife of the above who died March 18th 1884, Aged 74 years.

Jon it would appear that your earlier assumptions are correct as this information appears to tie in with our William born 1813 and being the son of Doctor William Brumwell of Newcastle.

Cheers

IAN

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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #241 on: Friday 10 October 14 12:26 BST (UK) »
Ian,

Well found – it just goes to show:

1)   We should never take a secondhand reference for granted as being either correct or comprehensive:  I have had a copy of that Cockfield M.I. transcription on file for years but as well as a couple of date errors, the transcription I have also lacks the all-important reference to Dr. Brumwell as father.

2)   We should always be open-minded enough to consider that an original record needn’t be seen as biblical writ simply because it is a primary source - especially if all of the other evidence points in a different direction, viz.the apparent naming of his father as John on the m. cert.

There is a mariner’s ticket (no. 283921) viewable for William Brumwell on Ancestry, issued at Newport on 5th March 1851, which gives his date and place of birth as Newcastle on the 22nd July 1814.  As this is clearly our William (his address is given as 16 Catherine Street, South Shields where wife Mary and 2 daughters can be seen in the census a month later), this rather reinforces my second point above: William  was baptized at St. Nicholas on 5 Sep 1813 so clearly must have been born on the 22nd July a year earlier than is stated on his mariner’s ticket.
So Captain William Brumwell was not an officer in the military or in the navy but a master mariner, a title that anyone who attained that status was entitled to use.
Regards,
Jon

P.S. If I get the chance on a future trip north,  I’ll try to grab a photo of this M.I. and post to this forum (unless you can persuade Anna Hankey to share hers).
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Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« Reply #242 on: Monday 13 October 14 23:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Jon,

I have just sent a message to Anna re the above and asking if she would share with us.

Cheers
Ian