John Anderson

[Poozan]

Hi Ambly

Monica helped me a lot when I was starting so it's nice that she appreciates all you have done! So - Thomas Halley, occupations various, married 1. Janet Mackison and had 2 children James and Janet and 2. Margaret Maxwell having a son Patrick. Is that correct please? My brain is bursting so I am going to stop for refreshment now!

Thanks a million

Poozan

[AMBLY]

Hi Poozan

That is the  way it's definitely looking, I agree;D   

And there is another child on the IGI, Alexander HALLEY b & chr 1810  Barony, parents Thomas HALLEY and Janet MACKIESON (may have died young?) - another sibling?

Plus the marriage on IGI in 1808 Barony, of Thomas HALLEY & Janet MACHISON

The OPR you have,  for the bp.  of Janet HALLEY in 1815  said parents were Thomas HALLEY Grocer and Janet McKISON - and it's the Grocer bit which makes the link there.  So sure looks like her baptism - but it would be nice to cinch it somehow 

ie: It would be nice to find a bp. of James HALLEY for around 17 Jan 1814 (he himself stated his birthday as 17th Jan in his memoirs) as that would be the cincher if his mms was MACKIESON.

I'm sure your Janet is the one on the 1841 with her father Thomas and his second wife Margaret , and I'm pretty sure Margaret's  ms is MAXWELL  - which is why I'd really want  to find her son Patrick McBeth HALLEY  dying after 1855 in Scotland (or Margaret herself) to confirm  her maiden name.

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Girls, look what I just found  (in between trying to get Sunday lunch ready...my poor family!)

Glasgow Herald Friday, March 31, 1848; Issue 4713:

Marriage: At 169 Great Hamilton Street, on the 28th instant, by Rev Henry Anderson of Partick Free Church, Captain John Anderson of the Lyra to Janet, only daughter of the late Thomas Halley.

Confirms all that you have found Ambly!

Monica

[AMBLY]

Wahooo!     
Monica,  you Champion!

Oh, I'm just going to post this now  - because Revd. Henry is her  supposedly cousin (stated by her brother James a decade before she married Captain John).


1841: Argyle St - Glasgow St Peter, Lanarkshire
John ANDERSON 60, Corn merchant,  - N
Mrs ANDERSON 55 - N
F ANDERSON 25 - Y (female)
Jane ANDERSON 25 - Y
Margaret ANDERSON 25 - Y
Ann ANDERSON 20 - Y
Henry ANDERSON 20 - Y
Ann McKAY 20, F.S. - N

1851: 339 1/2 Argyle Street - Glasgow St George, Lanarkshire
Head: Margaret KIDD 68, Annuitant, b St Andrews Fifeshire
Dau: Florence ANDERSON 37, At Home, b Glasgow
Dau: Jean ANDERSON 36, At Home, b Glasgow
Dau: Margaret ANDERSON 35, At Home, b Glasgow
Dau: Ann ANDERSON 32, At Home, b Glasgow
Servant: Isabella McCALLAN 19, Domestic Servant, b?, Perthshire

1851: 2 Meadowbank Place - Landward District, Govan, Lanarkshire
Head: Henry ANDERSON 30, Minister Of Free Church At Patrick, b Glasgow
Visitor: Helen ANDERSON 32, b Glasgow

1861: 1 York Place - Glasgow St Peter, Lanarkshire
Head: Florence G ANDERSON 47, Dressmaker, b Glasgow
Sister: Margaret ANDERSON 45, Dressmaker, b Glasgow
Servant: Jeanie McKERROL

1861: Dumbarton Rd Rowbate - Govan, Partick, Lanarkshire
Head: Henry ANDERSON 40, Minister Of Partick Free Church, b Glasgow
Sister: Anne ANDERSON 42, b Glasgow
Servant: Janet LAING 23, Domestic Servant, b ?,  Stirlingshire

1871: Rose Vale - Govan, Partick, Lanarkshire
Head: Henry ANDERSON 50, Minister of the Partick ?Parish?, b Glasgow
Sister: Anna ANDERSON 52, Ministers Sister, b Glasgow
Servant: Jane PATERSON 20, Domestic Servant, b Cambuslang, Lanarkshire

1881 & 1891 - pretty much the same - sister Florence G ANDERSOn is with him in those 2.

IGI: Births (extracted) parents: John ANDERSON & Margaret KID(D)
Florence Guild ANDERSON b. 30 Jun 1813
Jean ANDERSON b. 19 May 1814 Glasgow
Margaret ANDERSON b. 1 Jun 1815 Glasgow
Helen ANDERSON b. 16 Dec 1816 Glasgow
Ann ANDERSON b. 6 Aug 1818 Glasgow

and I think, Henry has been put in the IGI as:
Henry ANDERSON b 14 Sep 1820 Glasgow, parents: John ANDERSON & Margaret RIDDLE

IGI: Marriage (Extracted)
John ANDERSON and Margaret KIDD , 30 Jun 1812 Glasgow

WILLS Section Scotlands People:
John ANDERSON  RESIDING AT YORK PLACE OF GLASGOW, SPOUSE OF MARGARET KIDD, Inventory dated 5 Jul 1852

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

It's stupid o'clock here, I'm so going to regret this in a few hours   

Now I'm going to post this  Monica - and leave it with you to sort out     Poor Poozan! Really just trying to identify Captain John for you !
Also in the James HALLEY memoir: it stated  that the unwell James went and spent time in late July 1837 with his Kinsman Rev Mr ANDERSON in Tillicoultry (Clackmannansh).

This must have been before James  HALLEY decided to repair to Madeira for his health. This Tillicoultry Reverend ANDERSON is named Henry  - but  is a different one to the Reverend Henry ANDERSON  of Partick to who James wrote in 1839 (who was only a teenager in 1837).

Tillicoultry Henry  is  this one:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/dollar/chapter10.htm
Rev Henry ANDERSON was ordained 1808 Tillcoultry
The Rev. Henry Anderson left the Established Church at the Disruption in 1843, and was the first minister in the Free Church here.  He was born on the 9th of February 1779, and died on the 12th of August 1845, aged sixty-six years.

IGI: Henry ANDERSON born 9 Feb 1779, Lecropt, Perth to Henry ANDERSON & Florence GUILD. This is the kinsman of James HALLEY. And of so, of Janet HALLEY.

BIRTH IGI Extracted :
Florence GUILD chr 10 Jul 1738, Kilmadock, Perthshire, parents: David GUILD and Janet ANDERSON

MARRIAGE IGI Extracted:
Florence GUILD and Henry ANDERSON 12 Jun 1772, Lecropt, Perth, Scotland

ISSUE: Lecropt, Perth, Scotland - to Henry ANDERSON and Florence GUILD
Henry 1779
Margaret 1780
Ann 1783

In 1841 Partick Henry's  sister Helen is not in the family household in Glasgow, though she is there in 1851. In 1841, she seems to be in the household of Tillicoultry Rvd. Henry.

So the puzzle is I think?
How precisely are these  ANDERSON's related to the HALLEY's? Through whom?
And the question is, are they also related to Captain John ANDERSON?

Since John & Janet name their 1st daughter Florence Guild -  does it indicate the name is more "relative" important to John, even if Janet is also 'relative' to that name?

Then they name the 2nd , Margaret Maxwell -  who is more 'relative' important to Janet  - her (step) mother.
And are these 2 names basically holding the Scottish naming pattern?

Is Captain John the son of a Florence GUILD? Which one? And born in Renfrew?

And who was Janet & John's daughter Marion Fullerton named after?


Night Night 
AMBLY

Still smiling that you found that marriage !!

[Poozan]

Dear Ambly and Monica

All this technology is confusing me but I have realised that Monica has found the marriage of John Anderson and Janet Halley though I have lost the thread of where that was written. Well done that girl, I say, what a day you two have had helping me. I may have a clearer head in the morning.

Thanks to both

Poozan

[MonicaL]

Poozan, I am having a problem keeping up myself with our Ambly 

The marriage entry was in the Glasgow Herald (Friday, March 31, 1848; Issue 4713)

In your position, I would go into a quiet room with a big blank piece of paper or two and go through this massive amount of details and links that Ambly has put together. Take your time, there is so much interesting info here which is fantastic for you 

The next big push will be, going back to original question, trying to confirm as much as possible, where John Anderson fits in within the family groups that Ambly has identified.

Monica

[Poozan]

That is exactly what I intend to do. What a lot I discovered yesterday. I have had to completely redo my Anderson Halley information. This was the family line I knew least about but it is right up there with the others now!

regards

Poozan

[Br1gau]

Hi,

Have just returned to look at this thread after the weekend and am absolutely stunned, what a roll!! Such fantastic research by all those contributing, I am so impressed.

Well done everyone.

brigau