John Anderson

[Poozan]

Crumbs, I am absolutely gobsmacked and will have to write all this down and digest it at my leisure, not being as young as I used to be! Margaret Maxwell Anderson is my direct ancestor, she was 8 months old in the 1851 census so must have been born in 1850. She was the 2nd daughter, not the third. You have given me lots of information that I didn't know. I am very grateful indeed that you passed on your knowledge to me. Thanks and thanks again!

[AMBLY]

Hi Poozan

You're welcome, I'm happy some of that was new to you, and wish I could have found something more for John ANDERSON himself - but I say, you've done an awful lot of digging and finding yourself, a wonderful job and testemonial to your family  

I did see your website
http://www.wauchopecottage.co.uk/susan/cuthbertsons.html

but having just delved a bit more into it, I found the bit about Florence (and another middle name to muse over 
Straits Times Overland Journal 1 Feb 1871
Married At the Presbyterian Church, on the 17th inst by the Revd. M J Copland, Mr Alexander Johnston to Florence Guild, eldest daughter of John and Janet Anderson.(Grandmama's maternal aunt)

So there is no doubt at all that 1851 Census is 100% correct (I think perhaps we readers of the topic weren't initially sure if you meant you were certain it was the right family or just a possible match). Which was why I was wondering if there was other evidence that your Margaret Maxwell ANDERSON was definitely born around 1850. Moot now, but I've found it.....

Janet and the children going to join John in Australia!
They arrived in Victoria, South Australia in August 1857 on board the "Brunelle"
Mrs Janet ANDERSON 40
Florence ANDERSON 9
Margaret ANDERSON 7
John ANDERSON 5
Marion ANDERSON 3

Found on  the Index here (no images though):
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=23

Cheers
AMBLY

[Poozan]

Dear Ambly
Thank you for the information about the Anderson family and their voyage to Australia. I am back at my computer now and starting to add all that I have found out, thanks to you and others,  to the family website. We are very short of relations on this side of the family, though I don't know what happened to the family of Florence,  so don't expect anyone out there to be interested.

Poozan

[AMBLY]

Hi Poozan

Wonder if this is something....This is the only Florence GUILD popping up in IGI

BIRTH IGI Extracted :
Florence GUILD chr 10 Jul 1738, Kilmadock, Perthshire, parents: David GUILD and Janet ANDERSON

MARRIAGE IGI Extracted:
Florence GUILD and Henry ANDERSON 12 Jun 1772, Lecropt, Perth, Scotland

ISSUE: Lecropt, Perth, Scotland - to Henry ANDERSON and Florence GUILD
Henry 1779
Margaret 1780
Ann 1783

And then I remembered I saw "Henry Anderson" written in the HALLEY memoir which  didn't take in fully  -  on pages 258 to 270

In 1839 from Madeira, James HALLEY wrote a long epistle to  a relative in Glasgow who was about to commece a study of Theology with a view to the Ministry. He opened with "My Dear Henry" and signed it " I commend you, your father, your mother, your sisters, your uncle, and your aunts;  and am Your Affectionate Cousin" which is then notated with the full name of his said couisn "Mr Henry Anderson"

Could it be that Captain John ANDERSON was blood related, a cousin to his wife Janet HALLEY?
Or simply a coincidence she had Perth ANDERSON relatives & married an unrelated  Renfrew ANDERSON

Hmmm!
AMBLY 

PS: I noticed you have a William LATTA in the tree, who married Janet Halley CUTHBERTSON in 1901. I've 'one-name studied' the LATTO & LATTA families of Scotland for years (I have a Fife LATTO connection). Do you know anything about William - I think he was b 1869 Old Cumnock Ayr,  the son of William LATTA and Margaret ALLAN in Ayr, and brother of Sir John LATTA & Sir Andrew Gibson LATTA.

[Poozan]

Dear Ambly

I am sorry but my head is still reeling from all this information. I have seen that Thomas Halley, Janet's father, is variously described as a coal weigher (a municipal officer), a wynder and also as a shopkeeper/grocer. Would you be able to make sense of this for me. I know it's a cheek to ask! I don't want to post anything onto my website until I am sure that it is correct! I have downloaded the memoir of James Halley to read at my leisure, thank you for the link.

Poozan

Poozan

[AMBLY]

Hi Poozan

Ask away - that's RC      He sounds to be a man of all jobs doesn't he? Also described as a Guard of Glasgow and a Stagcoach to Perth, in the James HALLEY too, I think.

I'm not sure I can really answer the question though -  I would guess he was someone fairly noted in the fishbowl he swam in, a bit of an entrepeneur about town  with connections to the municpal goings on, owner of a merchant business/ general store - which as I understand it, often also ran the mail stagecoaches . It's the Wynder bit that don't sit right with me, unless he also owned a mill or something? Maybe a new linked post here on Rootschat to grab the attention of others who might know better 

On the other hand, and at the risk of overdoing it    - I'm 99.999% sure Thomas is your man.  I've tracked down that  Henry ANDERSON, the cousin of his son James HALLEY - and Henry had many unmarried sisters, including one named Florence Guild ANDERSON b 1813 Glasgow. Henry became the Minister of the Free Church in Partick and (likely) never married.  Henry's parents were John ANDERSON (another one!)  and Margaret KIDD.

If you have access to the Census, I can give you the lead-ins to  find them. Otherwise I can post transcripts  it here for you .

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Poozan, you are in good hands with Ambly 

Ambly - awesome roll!

Monica

[AMBLY]

Hi Monica    aw, thanks
And  just the lady I was thinking of too - what do you think of all Thomas HALLEY's occupations, how they fit together for one chap?

I feel we're circling Captain John ANDERSON's ancestry  - but just need to find than one clue. I'm wearing Google out today!

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

I think you are certainly close to confirmation. Thomas Halley's occupations would make him an entrepreneur in today's terms, with fingers in many pies!

Murphy mentioned earlier the entry for Thomas in 1847 on SP. This is indexed by 'I' which makes me think it might not be the descriptive will & testament of Thomas which is a pity as I would imagine the original will would make mention of sons and daughters.

Monica