Old velum scrap

[bristolloggerheads]

There's a 1582/3 Star Chamber case featuring a Mr Fyller - sorry no more details.

[bristolloggerheads]

There are references online to October 23rd being the feast day of St. James.

[gordon5]

Nothing to add but a fascinating thread that I want to follow!!

[Hephzibah]

Thoroughly agree with gordon5.
I have learned a lot from this particular forum but it is this posting which I have found one of the most interesting and facinating to follow.
Thank you to all who are sharing their thoughts and expertise.
Hephzibah

[slam]

It is a really interesting piece of parchment and I hope we can take it further, but I seem to have run into the sand.  I went searching the Bedford archives online but could find no reference to either Robert or Joan Filler, and no wills in their names (or variants ) at the National Archives.

Also, if this is a scrap from the period of King James or later, that presumably means the bible has been re-bound since it was first published.  Anyone know anything about dating bindings??...

[Suttonrog]

It could well have been rebound at a later date.

Although I think that the boards and spine are original the brasswork and clasps are not. There is paterning on the leather that the brass obscures. The brass is identical to that seen on other Barker Bibles that have Psalmes or Concordances dating to upto 1630 so the vellum could have been inserted at any time between 1576 and 1630?

Here is one dated 1610

Slam - thanks for all your work.

Rog

[Ruskie]

It's lovely Rog. Are you a collector?

[slam]

Fascinating pictures Rog, you're very lucky.  And this isn't 'work', this is fun!

Do you think the word next to ‘Jacobi’  might possibly be ‘anno’?  Then we might have a phrase going ‘..Jacobi anno Regno Angliae sexto Apud (?)ytlington’ -  ‘in the sixth year of the reign of James of England at (?)ytlington’.  At any rate, I think that’s what the Latin might mean.

Since James was James VI of Scotland from being a baby, I have seen documents that carefully describe him as ‘of Scotland the sixth and of England the first’: but I can’t see any word that looks like ‘Scotiae’ so I think that’s not what’s being referred to here.  Perhaps they’re dating some significant legal event connected with the payment of 10 pounds lawful money and specifying it happened in 1609 - the sixth year of the reign of King James . And since he was ruling in Scotland a lot earlier, they had to say ‘in the sixth year of the reign of James of England’ to avoid confusion.

By the way, I just googled place names and there’s a Shillington, Beds about 10 kms.  from Maulden .  It seems in the 17th and 18th centuries the name was spelled... ‘Shytlington’.  Then in the 19th century the inhabitants very naturally changed it.

[George4]

Hi Rog,

I tried all sorts of coloured filters to highlight decipher this document.

It appears that it might be written in very old English and some words do make sense.

It appears to be a Marriage Certificate of some sort.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards

George